Karma Ka Vignan

Author(s): Dada Bhagwan
Publisher: Dada Bhagwan Aradhana Trust
Catalog link: https://jainqq.org/explore/030118/1

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dAdA bhagavAna kathita karma kA vijJAna kiku (6) EUR8

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dAdA bhagavAna kathita karma kA vijJAna mUla gujarAtI saMkalana : DaoN. nIrUbahana amIna anuvAda : mahAtmAgaNa

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trimaMtra

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(dAdA bhagavAna phAunDezana ke dvArA prakAzita pustakeM hindI 1. jJAnI purUSa kI pahacAna 20. pati-patnI kA dIvya 2. sarva du:khoM se mukti vyavahAra 3. karma kA siddhAMta 21. mAtA-pitA aura baccoM kA 4. Atmabodha vyavahAra 5. maiM kauna hU~? 22. samajha se prApta brahmacarya 6. vartamAna tIrthakara zrI sImaMdhara 23. dAna svAmI 24. mAnava dharma 7. bhUgate usI kI bhUla 25. sevA-paropakAra 8. eDajasTa evarIvheyara 26. mRtyu samaye, pahelA aura 9. TakarAva TAlie pazcAta 10. huA so nyAya 27. nijadoSa darzana se... nirdoSa 11. ciMtA 28. prema 12. krodha 29. kleSa rahita jIvana 13. pratikramaNa 30. ahiMsA 14. dAdA bhagavAna kauna ? 31. satya-asatya ke rahasya 15. paisoM kA vyavahAra 32. camatkAra 16. aMta:karaNa kA svarUpa 33. pApa-puNya 17. jagata kartA kauna ? 34. vANI, vyavahAra meM... 18. trimaMtra 35. karma kA vijJAna 19. bhAvanA se sudhare janmojanma 36. AptavANI-1aura 4 dAdA bhagavAna phAunDezana ke dvArA gujarAtI bhASA meM bhI 55 pustakeM prakAzita huI hai| vebasAiTa www.dadabhagwan.org para se bhI Apa ye sabhI pustakeM prApta kara sakate haiN| dAdA bhagavAna phAunDezana ke dvArA hara mahIne hindI, gujarAtI tathA aMgrejI bhASA meM "dAdAvANI" maigez2Ina prakAzita hotA hai|

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dAdA bhagavAna kauna ? jUna 1958 kI eka saMdhyA kA karIba chaH baje kA samaya, bhIr3a se bharA sUrata zahara kA relve sTezana, pleTaphArma naM. 3 kI beMca para baiThe zrI aMbAlAla mUlajIbhAI paTela rUpI dehamaMdira meM kudaratI rUpa se, akrama rUpa meM, kaI janmoM se vyakta hone ke lie Atura 'dAdA bhagavAna' pUrNa rUpa se prakaTa hue| aura kudarata ne sarjita kiyA adhyAtma kA adbhuta aashcry| eka ghaMTe meM unheM vizvadarzana huaa| 'maiM kauna? bhagavAna | kauna? jagat kauna calAtA hai? karma kyA? mukti kyA?' ityAdi jagat ke sAre AdhyAtmika praznoM ke saMpUrNa rahasya prakaTa hue| isa taraha kudarata ne vizva ke sammukha eka advitIya pUrNa darzana prastuta kiyA aura usake mAdhyama bane zrI aMbAlAla mUlajIbhAI paTela, gujarAta ke carotara kSetra ke bhAdaraNa gA~va ke pATIdAra, kAnTrekTa kA vyavasAya karanevAle, phira bhI pUrNatayA vItarAga puruSa ! unheM prApti huI, usI prakAra kevala do hI ghaMToM meM anya mumukSu janoM ko bhI ve AtmajJAna kI prApti karavAte the, unake adbhuta siddha hue jJAnaprayoga se / use akrama mArga kahA / akrama, arthAt binA krama ke, aura krama arthAt sIr3hI dara sIr3hI, kramAnusAra Upara car3hanA / akrama arthAt liphTa mArga, zaoNrTa kaTa ! ve svayaM pratyeka ko 'dAdA bhagavAna kauna ?' kA rahasya batAte hue kahate the ki "yaha jo Apako dikhate hai ve dAdA bhagavAna nahIM hai, ve to 'e. ema. paTela' hai / hama jJAnI puruSa haiM aura bhItara prakaTa hue haiM, ve 'dAdA bhagavAna' haiM | dAdA bhagavAna to caudaha loka ke nAtha haiM / ve Apa meM bhI haiM, sabhI meM haiN| ApameM avyakta rUpa meM rahe hue haiM aura 'yahA~' hamAre bhItara saMpUrNa rUpa se vyakta hue haiN| dAdA bhagavAna ko maiM bhI namaskAra karatA huuN|" 'vyApAra meM dharma honA cAhie, dharma meM vyApAra nahIM', isa siddhAMta se unhoMne pUrA jIvana bitaayaa| jIvana meM kabhI bhI unhoMne kisIke pAsa se paisA nahIM liyA balki apanI kamAI se bhaktoM ko yAtrA karavAte the| 5

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AtmajJAna prApti kI pratyakSa liMka 'maiM to kucha logoM ko apane hAthoM siddhi pradAna karanevAlA huuN| pIche anugAmI cAhie ki nahIM cAhie? pIche logoM ko mArga to cAhie na?" - dAdAzrI parama pUjya dAdAzrI gA~va-gA~va, deza-videza paribhramaNa karake mumukSu janoM ko satsaMga aura AtmajJAna kI prApti karavAte the| ApazrI ne apane jIvanakAla meM hI pUjya DaoN. nIrUbahana amIna (nIrUmA~) ko AtmajJAna prApta karavAne kI jJAnasiddhi pradAna kI thiiN| dAdAzrI ke dehavilaya pazcAt nIrUmA~ vaise hI mumukSujanoM ko satsaMga aura AtmajJAna kI prApti, nimitta bhAva se karavA rahI thii| pUjya dIpakabhAI desAI ko dAdAzrI ne satsaMga karane kI siddhi pradAna kI thii| nIrUmA~ kI upasthiti meM hI unake AzIrvAda se pUjya dIpakabhAI deza-videzo meM kaI jagahoM para jAkara mumukSuoM ko AtmajJAna karavA rahe the, jo nIrUmA~ ke dehavilaya pazcAt Aja bhI jArI hai| isa AtmajJAnaprApti ke bAda haz2AroM mumukSu saMsAra meM rahate hue, jimmedAriyA~ nibhAte hue bhI mukta rahakara AtmaramaNatA kA anubhava karate haiN| ___graMtha meM mudrita vANI mokSArthI ko mArgadarzana meM atyaMta upayogI siddha hogI, lekina mokSaprApti hetu AtmajJAna prApta karanA z2arUrI hai| akrama mArga ke dvArA AtmajJAna kI prApti kA mArga Aja bhI khulA hai| jaise prajvalita dIpaka hI dUsarA dIpaka prajvalita kara sakatA hai, usI prakAra pratyakSa AtmajJAnI se AtmajJAna prApta kara ke hI svayaM kA AtmA jAgRta ho sakatA hai|

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nivedana parama pUjya 'dAdA bhagavAna' ke praznottarI satsaMga meM pUche gaye prazna ke uttara meM unake zrImukha se adhyAtma tathA vyavahAra jJAna saMbaMdhI jo vANI nikalI, usako rikaoNrDa karake, saMkalana tathA saMpAdana karake pustakoM ke rUpa meM prakAzita kiyA jAtA haiN| usI sAkSAta sarasvatI kA adbhuta saMkalana isa pustaka meM huA hai, jo hama sabake lie varadAnarUpa sAbita hogii| prastuta anuvAda kI vAkya racanA hindI vyAkaraNa ke mApadaNDa para zAyada pUrI na utare, parantu pUjya dAdAzrI kI gujarAtI vANI kA zabdazaH hindI anuvAda karane kA prayatna kiyA gayA hai, tAki vAcaka ko aisA anubhava ho ki dAdAjI kI hI vANI sunI jA rahI hai| phira bhI dAdAzrI ke AtmajJAna kA sahI Azaya, jyoM kA tyoM to, Apako gujarAtI bhASA meM hI avagata hogaa| jinheM jJAna kI gaharAI meM jAnA ho, jJAna kA sahI marma samajhanA ho, ve isa hetu gujarAtI bhASA sIkheM, aisA hamArA anurodha hai| anuvAda saMbaMdhI kamiyoM ke lie Apase kSamAprArthI haiN| pAThakoM se... isa pustaka meM mudrita pAThyasAmagrI mUlataH gujarAtI 'karma kA vijJAna' kA hindI rupAMtara hai| isa pustaka meM 'AtmA' zabda kA prayoga saMskRta aura gujarAtI bhASA kI taraha pulliMga meM kiyA gayA hai| jahA~-jahA~ para 'caMdUlAla' nAma kA prayoga kiyA gayA hai, vahA~-vahA~ pAThaka svayaM kA nAma samajhakara paThana kreN| pustaka meM agara koI bAta Apa samajha na pAe~ to pratyakSa satsaMga meM padhArakara samAdhAna prApta kreN| * dAdAzrI ke zrImukha se nikale kucha gujarAtI zabda jyoM ke tyoM 'iTAliksa' meM rakhe gaye haiM, kyoMki una zabdoM ke lie hindI meM aisA koI zabda nahIM hai, jo usakA pUrNa artha de ske| hAlA~ki una zabdoM ke samAnArthI zabda () meM artha ke rUpa meM diye gaye haiN| aise sabhI zabda aura zabdArtha pustaka ke aMta meM bhI die gae haiN|

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saMpAdakIya akalpita, anirdhArita ghaTanAe~ aksara TI.vI. athavA akhabAra se jAnane ko milatI haiN| jaise ki plena kreza huA aura 400 loga mara gae, bar3A bama blAsTa huA, Aga lagI, bhUkaMpa, tUfAna Ae, haz2AroM loga mAre gae! kitane hI eksiDenTa meM mAre gae, kucha roga se mare aura kucha janma lete hI mara gae! kucha logoM ne AtmahatyA kI bhUkhamarI ke kAraNa! dharmAtmA kAlI karatUteM karate hue pakar3e gae, kitane hI bhikhArI bhUkhe mara gae! jaba ki saMta, bhakta, jJAnI jaise ucca mahAtmA nijAnaMda meM jI rahe haiM! hararoz2a dillI ke kAMDa patA calate haiM, aise samAcAroM se haraeka manuSya ke hRdaya meM eka bar3A praznacinha khar3A ho jAtA hai ki isakA rahasya kyA hai? isake pIche koI guhya kAraNa hogA? nirdoSa bAlaka janma lete hI kyoM apaMga huA? hRdaya dravita ho jAtA hai, khUba maMthana karane ke bAvajUda samAdhAna nahIM mila pAtA aura aMta meM apane-apane karma haiM, aisA mAnakara, asamAdhAna ko prApta bhArI mana ke sAtha cupa ho jAte haiM! karma haiM aisA kahate haiM, phira bhI karma kyA hotA hogA? kisa taraha se ba~dhatA hogA? usakI zurUAta kyA hai? pahalA karma kahA~ se zurU huA? karma meM se mukti mila sakatI hai? karma ke bhugatAna ko TAlA jA sakatA hai? bhagavAna karate hoMge yA karma karavAtA hogA? mRtyu ke bAda kyA? karma kauna bA~dhatA hogA! bhugatatA hai kauna? AtmA yA deha? apane loga karma kise kahate haiM? kAma-dhaMdhA kareM, satkArya kareM, dAnadharma kareM, una sabako 'karma kiyA' kahate haiM, jJAnI use karma nahIM kahate parantu karmaphala kahate haiN| jo pA~ca indriyoM se dekhe jA sakate haiM, anubhava kie jA sakate haiM, ve sabhI sthUla meM haiM ve karmaphala yAnI ki DiscArja karma kahalAte haiN| pichale janma meM jo cArja kiyA thA, vaha Aja DiscArja meM AyA, rUpaka meM AyA aura abhI jo nayA karma cArja kara rahe haiM, vaha to sUkSma meM hotA hai, usa cArjiMga poinTa kA kisIko bhI patA cale aisA nahIM hai| eka seTha ke pAsa eka saMsthAvAle TrasTI dharmArtha dAna dene ke lie dabAva DAlate haiM, isalie seTha pA~ca lAkha rupaye dAna meM dete haiN| usake bAda usa seTha ke mitra seTha se pUchate haiM ki 'are, ina logoM ko tUne kyoM die? ye saba cora haiM,

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khA jAe~ge tere paise|' taba seTha kahateM haiM, una sabhI ko, eka-eka ko maiM acchI taraha pahacAnatA hU~, para kyA karU~? usa saMsthA ke ceyaramena mere samadhI haiM, isalie unake dabAva se dene par3e, nahIM to maiM to pA~ca rupaye bhI dUM aisA nahIM hU~!' aba pA~ca lAkha rupaye dAna meM die usase bAhara to logoM ko seTha ke prati 'dhanya-dhanya' ho gayA, parantu vaha unakA DiscArja karma thA aura cArja kyA kiyA seTha ne? pA~ca rupaye bhI nahIM dUM! vaisA bhItara sUkSma meM ulTA cArja karatA hai| usase agale janma meM pA~ca rupaye bhI nahIM de sakegA kisIko! aura dUsarA garIba AdamI usI saMsthA ke logoM ko pA~ca rupaye hI detA hai aura kahatA hai ki mere pAsa pA~ca lAkha hote to ve sabhI de detA! jo dila se detA hai, vaha agale janma meM pA~ca lAkha de skegaa| aise ye bAhara dikhatA hai, vaha to phala hai aura bhItara sUkSma meM bIja par3a jAte haiM, usakA kisIko bhI patA cale aisA nahIM hai| vaha to aMtarmukha dRSTi ho jAe, taba dikhatA hai| aba yaha samajha meM A jAe to bhAva bigar3eMge kyA? pichale janma meM, 'khA-pIkara maz2e karane haiM', aise karma bA~dhakara lAyA, ve saMcita karma / ve sUkSma meM sTaoNka meM hote haiM ve phala dene ko sammukha hoM taba jaMkaphUDa(kacarA) khAne ko prerita hotA hai aura khA letA hai, vaha prArabdha karma aura usakA phira phala AtA hai yAnI ki iphekTa kA iphekTa AtA hai ki jisase use peTa meM maror3a uThate haiM, bImAra par3a jAtA hai, vaha kriyamANa krm| parama pUjya dAdAzrI ne karma ke siddhAMta se bhI Age 'vyavasthita' zakti ko jagat niyaMtA' kahA hai, karma to jisakA aMza mAtra kahalAtA hai| vyavasthita' meM karma samA jAte haiM, parantu karma meM 'vyavasthita' nahIM smaataa| karma to bIja svarUpa meM hama pUrvajanma meM se sUkSma meM bA~dhakara lAe haiM, ve haiN| aba utane se kucha nahIM hotaa| usa karma kA phala Ae matalaba ki bIja meM se per3a hotA hai aura phala Ate haiM, taba taka dUsare kitane hI saMyogoM kI usameM z2arUrata par3atI hai| bIja ke lie jamIna, pAnI, khAda, ThaMDa, tApa, TAima, sabhI saMyogo ke ikaTThe hone ke bAda phira Ama kA per3a banatA hai aura Ama milate haiN| dAdAzrI ne bahuta hI suMdara khulAsA kiyA hai ki ye saba to phala haiN| karmabIja to bhItara sUkSma meM kAma karate haiN|

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bahutoM ko yaha prazna hotA hai ki pahalA karma kisa taraha ba~dhA? pahale deha yA pahale karma? pahale aMDA yA pahale murgI? isake jaisI yaha bAta huI! sacamuca vAstavikatA meM pahale karma' jaisI vastu hI nahIM hai varlDa meM koI! karma aura AtmA saba anAdikAla se haiN| jinheM hama karma kahate haiM, vaha jar3a tatva kA hai aura AtmA cetana tatva hai| donoM tatva alaga hI haiM aura tatva arthAt sanAtana vastu kahalAtI hai| jo sanAtana hai, usakI Adi kahA~ se? yaha to AtmA aura jar3a tatva kA saMyoga huA, aura usameM Aropita bhAvoM kA AropaNa hotA hI rhaa| usakA yaha phala Akara khar3A huaa| saMyoga viyogI svabhAva ke haiN| isalie saMyoga Ate haiM aura jAte haiN| isalie taraha-taraha kI avasthAe~ khar3I ho jAtI haiM aura calI jAtI haiN| usameM roMga bilIfa khar3I ho jAtI hai ki yaha maiM hU~ aura yaha merA hai|' usase yaha rUpI jagat bhAsyamAna hotA hai| yaha rahasya samajha meM Ae, to zuddhAtmA aura saMyoga do hI vastue~ haiM jagat meN| itanA nahIM samajhane se taraha-taraha kI sthUla bhASA meM karma, nasIba, prArabdha saba kahanA par3A hai| parantu vijJAna itanA hI kahatA hai, mAtra jo sabhI saMyoga haiM, unameM se para ho jAe to AtmA meM hI raha sakatA hai! taba phira karma jaisA kucha rahegA hI nhiiN| karma kisa taraha ba~dhate haiM? karttAbhAva se karma ba~dhate haiN| karttAbhAva kise kahate haiM? kare koI, aura mAnatA hai ki maiM karatA hU~', vaha krttaabhaav| karttAbhAva kisase hotA hai? ahaMkAra se| ahaMkAra kise kahate haiM? jo khuda nahIM hai, vahA~ maiM pana' kA, usakA nAma ahNkaar| Aropita bhAva, vaha ahaMkAra kahalAtA hai| maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' aisA mAnatA hai, vahI ahaMkAra hai| vAstava meM khuda caMdUlAla hai? yA caMdUlAla nAma hai? nAma ko 'maiM' mAnatA hai, zarIra ko 'maiM' mAnatA hai, maiM pati hU~, ye sabhI roMga bilIfa haiN| vAstava meM to khuda 10

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AtmA hI hai, zuddhAtmA hI hai, parantu usakA bhAna nahIM, jJAna nahIM, isalie maiM caMdUlAla, maiM hI deha hU~ aisA mAnatA hai| yahI ajJAnatA hai ! aura isase hI karma ba~dhate haiN| chUTe dehAdhyAsa to nahIM kartA tU karma, nahIM bhoktA tU tehano e che dharmano mrm|- zrImad raajcNdr| jo tU jIva to karttA hari, jo tU ziva to vastu khrii| akhA bhgt| 'maiM caMdUlAla hU~' aisA bhAna hai use jIvadazA kahA hai aura maiM caMdUlAla nahIM hU~ parantu vAstava meM maiM to zuddhAtmA hU~, usakA bhAna, jJAna barate use zivapada kahA hai| khuda hI ziva hai, AtmA hI paramAtmA hai aura usakA svabhAva koI bhI saMsArI cIz2a karane kA nahIM hai| svabhAva se hI AtmA akriya hai, asaMga hai| maiM AtmA hU~' aura maiM kucha bhI nahIM karatA hU~', aisA niraMtara dhyAna meM rahe unheM jJAnI kahA hai aura usake bAda phira eka bhI nayA karma nahIM bNdhtaa| purAne DiscArja karma phala dekara khatma hote rahate haiN| jo karmabIja pichale janma meM bote haiM, una karmoM kA phala isa janma meM AtA hai| taba ye phala kauna detA hai? bhagavAna? nhiiN| vaha kudarata detI hai| jise parama pUjya dAdAzrI sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa - 'vyavasthita zakti' kahate haiN| jisa cArja kA DiscArja necaralI aura oNTomeTikalI hotA hai| usa phala ko bhogate samaya ajJAnatA ke kAraNa phira se pasaMda-nApasaMda, rAga-dveSa kie bagaira rahatA nahIM hai| jisase nae bIja DAlatA hai| jisakA phala agale janma meM bhoganA par3atA hai| jJAnI nayA bIja DAlane se rokate haiM, jisase pichale phala pUre hokara mokSapada kI prApti hotI hai! ___ koI apanA apamAna kare, nukasAna kare, vaha to nimitta hai, nirdoSa hai| binA kAraNa ke kArya meM kisa taraha AegA? khuda apamAnita hone ke kAraNa bA~dhakara lAyA hai usakA phala, usakA iphekTa Akara khar3A rahatA hai, taba usake lie dUsare kitane hI dikhanevAle nimitta usameM ikaTThe hone caahie| sirpha bIja se hI phala nahIM banatA, parantu sAre hI nimitta ikaTThe

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hoM, taba to bIja meM se vRkSa banatA hai aura phala cakhane ko milatA hai| isalie ye jo phala Ate haiM, unameM dUsare nimittoM ke binA phala kisa taraha AegA? apamAna khAne kA bIja hamane hI boyA hai, usIkA phala AtA hai, apamAna mile usake lie dUsare nimitta milane hI caahie| aba una nimittoM ko doSI dekhakara kaSAya karake munaSya ajJAnatA se naye karma bA~dhatA hai aura jJAna hAz2ira rahe ki sAmanevAlA nimitta hI hai, nirdoSa hai aura yaha apamAna mila rahA hai vaha mere hI karma kA phala hai, to nayA karma nahIM ba~dhegA aura utanA hI mukta rahA jA skegaa| aura sAmanevAlA doSita dikha jAe to turanta hI use nirdoSa dekheM, aura doSI dekhA usake lie pratikramaNa zUTa eTa sAiTa kara deM, jisase bIja bhuna jAe aura uge hI nhiiN| anya sabhI nimitta ikaTThe hokara khuda ke DAle hue bIja kA phala AnA aura khuda ko bhugatanA par3e, vaha pUrA prosesa onlI sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa haiM aura use hI dAdAzrI ne kahA hai ki 'vyavasthita zakti' phala detI hai| _ 'jJAnI puruSa' parama pUjya zrI dAdA bhagavAna ne khuda ke jJAna meM avalokana karake duniyA ko 'karma kA vijJAna' diyA hai, jo dAdAzrI kI vANI meM yahA~ saMkSipta meM pustaka ke rUpa meM rakhA gayA hai, jo pAThaka ko jIvana meM ulajhAnevAlI pahaliyoM ke sAmane samAdhAnakArI hala degA! ___- DaoN. nIrubahana amIna ke jaya saccidAnaMda

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karma kA vijJAna karate haiM yA karanA par3atA hai? dAdAzrI : tere sAtha kabhI aisA hotA hai ki terI icchA na ho phira bhI tujhe vaisA kucha karanA par3e? aisA kucha hotA hai tujhe kabhI? aisA hotA hai yA nahIM? praznakartA : haaN| aisA hotA hai| dAdAzrI : logoM ko hotA hogA yA nahIM? usakA kyA kAraNa hai ki icchA nahIM ho aura karanA par3atA hai? vaha pUrvakarma kiyA huA hai, usakA yaha iphekTa aayaa| barabasa hokara karate haiM, usakA kyA kAraNa hai? jagat ke loga isa iphekTa ko hI kaoNz2a kahate haiM aura usa iphekTa ko to samajhate hI nahIM na! isa jagat ke loga ise kaoNz2a kahate haiM, to hama kahate nahIM ki merI icchA nahIM hai phira bhI kisa taraha yaha kArya kiyA maiMne? aba jisakI icchA nahIM vaha karma 'maiMne kiyA', aisA kisa taraha kahate ho? kyoMki jagat kisalie kahatA hai use, 'Apane karma kiyA' aisA? kyoMki dikhanevAlI kriyA ko hI loga 'karma kiyA' kahate haiN| loga kaheMge ki, 'yaha isane hI karma baaNdhaa|' jaba ki jJAnI use samajha jAte haiM ki yaha to pariNAma aayaa| kisane bhejA pRthvI para? praznakartA : hamane apane Apa janma liyA hai yA hameM koI bhejanevAlA hai? dAdAzrI : koI bhejanevAlA hai nhiiN| Apake karma hI Apako le

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karma kA vijJAna jAte haiN| aura turanta hI vahA~ janma milatA hai| acche karma hoM to acchI hI jagaha para janma hotA hai, kharAba karma hoM to kharAba jagaha para hotA hai| karma kA siddhAMta kyA? praznakartA : karma kI paribhASA kyA hai? dAdAzrI : koI bhI kArya karo, use 'maiM karatA hU~' aisA AdhAra do, vaha karma kI paribhASA hai| 'maiM karatA hU~' aisA AdhAra deM, use 'karma bA~dhA' kahA jAtA hai| 'maiM nahIM karatA' aura 'kauna karatA hai' vaha jAna lo, to ise nirAdhAra karate ho na, taba karma gira jAtA hai| praznakartA : karma kA siddhAMta yAnI kyA? dAdAzrI : tU bAvar3I meM aMdara jAkara bole ki 'tU cora hai' taba bAvar3I kyA bolegI? praznakartA : 'tU cora hai|' aise hamAre bole hue kI pratidhvani AtI dAdAzrI : basa, bs| yadi tujhe yaha pasaMda nahIM ho, to tU kahanA ki 'tU bAdazAha hai|' taba vaha tujhe 'bAdazAha' khegii| tujhe pasaMda ho, vaisA kahanA, yaha karma kA siddhAMta ! tujhe vakAlata pasaMda ho to vakAlata kr| DaoNkTarI pasaMda ho to DaoNkTarI kr| karma arthAt ekshn| riekzana arthAt kyA? vaha pratidhvani hai| riekzana pratidhvanivAlA hai| usakA phala Ae bagaira rahatA nhiiN| vaha bAvar3I kyA kahatI hai? ki yaha pUrA jagat apanA hI projekTa hai| jise Apa karma kahate the na, vaha projekTa hai| praznakartA : karma kA siddhAMta hai yA nahIM? dAdAzrI : pUrA jagat karma kA siddhAMta hI hai, dUsarA kucha hai hI nhiiN| aura ApakI hI jokhimadArI se baMdhana hai| yaha sArA projekzana ApakA hI hai| yaha deha bhI Apane hI gar3hA hai| Apako jo-jo milatA hai, vaha sArA ApakA hI gar3hA huA hai| usameM dUsare kisIkA hAtha hI nhiiN| hola enDa

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karma kA vijJAna sola risponsibiliTI ApakI hI hai sArI, anaMta janmoM se| apanA hI 'projekzana' bAvar3I meM jAkara projekTa kareM, usa para se loga aisA kaheMge ki basa, projekTa karane kI hI z2arUrata hai| hama pUche ki kisalie aisA kahate ho? taba kaheMge ki bAvar3I meM jAkara maiM pahale bolA thA ki, 'tU cora hai|' to bAvar3I ne mujhe aisA kahA ki, 'tU cora hai|' phira maiMne projekTa badalA ki, 'tU rAjA hai|' to usane bhI 'rAjA' khaa| to bhAI, vaha projekTa tere hAtha meM hai hI kahA~ phira? projekTa ko badalanA, vaha bAta to saccI hai, para phira vaha tere hAtha meM nahIM hai| hA~, svataMtra hai bhI aura nahIM bhii| 'nahIM' adhika hai aura 'hai' kama hai| aisA yaha parasattAvAlA jagat hai| saccA jJAna jAnane ke bAda svataMtra hai, nahIM to taba taka svataMtra nahIM hai| parantu aba projekTa baMda kaise ho? khuda kA svarUpa jaba taka mile nahIM inameM se ki 'maiM yaha hU~ yA vaha hU~?' taba taka bhaTakanA hai| yaha deha maiM nahIM huuN| ye A~kheM bhI maiM nahIM huuN| aMdara dUsare bahuta sAre speyarapArTsa haiM, una sabhI meM 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' aisA abhI taka bhAna hai| ye sAra nahIM nikAla sakate, isalie ve kyA samajhate haiM? yaha tyAga karatA hU~, vahI maiM huuN| isalie 'maiM' to kisI bhI ThikAne para nahIM rahA use| vaha samajhatA hai ki yaha tapa karatA hai, vahI 'maiM' huuN| yaha sAmAyika karatA hai vahI 'maiM' huuN| yaha vyAkhyAna detA hai, vahI 'maiM' huuN| 'maiM karatA hU~' aisA bhAna hai taba taka nayA projekTa karatA rahatA hai| purAne projekTa ke anusAra bhugatatA rahatA hai| karma kA siddhAMta samajheM na, to mokSa kA siddhAMta jAna jaaeN| roMga bilIfa se karmabaMdhana ApakA nAma kyA hai? praznakartA : cNduubhaaii| dAdAzrI : sacamuca meM caMdUbhAI ho? praznakartA : aisA kaise kahA jA sakatA hai? sabhI ko jo lagatA

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4 karma kA vijJAna hai, vahI saca hai| dAdAzrI : to phira vAstava meM to caMdUbhAI ho, nahIM? Apako vizvAsa nahIM hai? 'mAi nema iz2a caMdUbhAI' bolate ho Apa to? praznakartA : mujhe to vizvAsa hai hI / dAdAzrI : mAi nema iz2a caMdUbhAI, noTa Ai / to Apa vAstava meM caMdUbhAI ho yA koI aura ho ? praznakartA : yaha ThIka hai, kucha alaga hI haiM / yaha to haqIqata hai| dAdAzrI : nahIM, yaha caMdUbhAI to pahacAnane kA sAdhana hai, ki bhAI, ye dehavAle, ye bhAI, ye caMdUbhAI haiM / Apa bhI aisA samajhate ho ki isa deha kA nAma caMdUbhAI hai| parantu 'Apa kauna ho ?' vaha nahIM jAnanA hai? praznakartA : vaha jAnanA caahie| jAnane kA prayatna karanA caahie| dAdAzrI : yAnI yaha kisake jaisA huA ki Apa caMdUbhAI nahIM ho, phira bhI Apa Aropa karate ho, caMdUbhAI ke nAma se sArA lAbha uThA lete ho| isa strI kA pati hU~, isakA mAmA hU~, isakA cAcA hU~, aise lAbha uThAte ho aura usase niraMtara karma ba~dhate hI rahate haiM / Apa Aropita bhAva meM ho, taba taka karma ba~dhate rahate haiM / jaba ki 'maiM kauna hU~?' vaha taya ho jAne ke bAda Apako karma nahIM ba~dhate haiN| yAnI abhI bhI karma ba~dha rahe haiM aura rAta ko nIMda meM bhI karma ba~dhate haiN| kyoMki 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' aisA mAnakara sote haiM / 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~', vaha ApakI roMga bilIfa hai, usase karma ba~dhate haiM / bhagavAna ne sabase bar3A karma kauna - sA kahA ? rAta ko 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' kahakara so gae aura phira AtmA ko bore meM DAla diyA, vaha sabase bar3A karma! karttApada se karmabaMdhana praznakartA : karma kisase ba~dhate haiM? ise z2arA adhika samajhAie /

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karma kA vijJAna dAdAzrI : karma kisase ba~dhate haiM, vaha Apako btaauuN| karma Apa karate nahIM, phira bhI Apa mAnate ho ki 'maiM karatA hU~', isalie ApakA baMdhana jAtA nahIM hai| bhagavAna bhI kartA nahIM hai| bhagavAna kartA hote to unheM baMdhana hotaa| yAnI bhagavAna kartA nahIM haiM aura Apa bhI karttA nahIM ho| parantu Apa mAnate ho 'maiM karatA hU~', usase karma ba~dhate haiN| kaoNleja meM pAsa hue, vaha dUsarI zakti ke AdhAra para hotA hai aura Apa kahate ho ki maiM pAsa huaa| vaha Aropita bhAva hai| usase karma ba~dhate vedAMta ne bhI svIkAra kiyA nirIzvaravAda praznakartA : to phira kisI zakti se hotA hogA, to koI corI kare to vaha gunAha nahIM aura koI dAna de to vaha bhI, saba samAna hI kahalAegA na! dAdAzrI : haaN| samAna hI kahalAegA, lekina ve phira samAna rakhate nahIM hai| dAna denevAlA aise chAtI phulAkara ghUmatA hai, isIlie to ba~dhA aura corI karanevAlA kahatA hai, 'mujhe koI pakar3a hI nahIM sakatA, acche-acchoM ke yahA~ corI kara luuN|' isalie muA vaha bNdhaa| 'maiMne kiyA' aisA kahe nahIM, to kucha bhI chue nhiiN| praznakartA : aisI eka mAnyatA hai ki prAthamika kakSA meM hama aisA mAnate haiM ki Izvara kartA haiN| Age jAkara nirIzvaravAda ke sivAya veda meM bhI kucha nahIM hai| upaniSada meM bhI nirIzvaravAda hI hai| Izvara karttA nahIM hai, karma ke phala haraeka ko bhugatane par3ate haiN| aba ye karmoM ke phala janmojanma calate rahate haiM? dAdAzrI : hA~, z2arUra, karma kA aisA hai na ki yaha Ama meM se per3a aura per3a meM se Ama, Ama meM se per3a aura per3a meM se Ama! praznakartA : yaha to utkrAMti kA niyama huA, yaha to hotA hI rhegaa| dAdAzrI : nahIM, yahI karmaphala hai| yaha Ama phala ke rUpa meM AyA,

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karma kA vijJAna usa phala meM se bIja giratA hai aura vApisa per3a banatA hai aura per3a meM se vApisa phala banatA hai na! vaha calatA hI rahegA, karma meM se karmabIja girate hI rahate haiN| praznakartA : to phira ye zubha-azubha karma baMdhate hI rahate haiM, chUTate hI nahIM? dAdAzrI : hA~, Upara se gUdA khA lete haiM aura guThalI vApisa DalatI praznakartA : usase to vahA~ phira se Ama kA per3a utpanna hogaa| dAdAzrI : chUTegA hI nahIM na! yadi Apa Izvara ko karttA mAnate ho to Apa apane Apa ko karttA kisalie mAnate ho? yaha to vApisa khuda bhI kartA bana baiThatA hai! sirpha manuSya hI aisA hai ki jo 'maiM kartA hU~' aisA bhAna rakhatA hai, aura jahA~ kartA banA vahA~ AzritatA TUTa jAtI hai| use bhagavAna kahate haiM ki, 'bhAI, tU kara letA hai to tU alaga aura maiM alg|' phira bhagavAna kA aura ApakA kyA lenA-denA? khuda ko karttA mAnatA hai, isalie karma baMdhana hotA hai| khuda ko yadi usa karma kA karttA nahIM mAne to karma kA vilaya hotA hai| yaha hai mahAbhajana kA marma isalie akhA bhagata ne kahA hai ki, 'jo tU jIva to karttA hari, jo tU ziva to vastu kharI!' arthAt yadi 'tU zuddhAtmA hai' to saccI bAta hai| aura yadi 'jIva hai', to Upara karttA hari hai| aura yadi 'tU ziva hai' to vastu kharI hai| Upara hari nAma kA koI hai hI nhiiN| yAnI jIva-ziva kA bheda gayA taba paramAtmA hone kI taiyArI huii| ye sabhI bhagavAna ko bhajate haiM, vaha jIva-ziva kA

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karma kA vijJAna bheda hai aura apane yahA~ yaha jJAna milane ke bAda jIva-ziva kA bheda gyaa| 'kartA chUTe to chUTe karma, e che mahAbhajanano marma!' cArja kaba hotA hai ki, 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~ aura yaha maiMne kiyaa|' yAnI jo ulTI mAnyatA hai usase karma ba~dha gyaa| aba AtmA kA jJAna mile to 'Apa' caMdUbhAI nahIM ho| caMdUbhAI to vyavahAra se, nizcaya se vAstava meM nahIM ho aura yaha 'maiMne kiyA', vaha vyavahAra se hai| isalie karttApana miTa jAe to karma phira chUTa jAte haiM, karma nahIM bNdhte| 'maiM karttA nahIM' vaha bhAna huA, vaha zraddhA baiThI, taba se karma chUTe, karma ba~dhane se ruka ge| yAnI cArja honA baMda ho gyaa| vaha hai mahAbhajana kA marma / mahAbhajana kise kahA jAtA hai? sarva zAstroM ke sAra ko mahAbhajana kahA jAtA hai| vaha to mahAbhajana kA bhI sAra hai| kare vahI bhugate praznakartA : hamAre zAstra aisA kahate haiM ki hara eka ko karma ke anusAra phala milatA hai! dAdAzrI : vaha to khuda hI apane lie jimmedAra hai| bhagavAna ne isameM hAtha DAlA hI nhiiN| bAqI, isa jagat meM Apa svataMtra hI ho| UparI (baoNsa, variSTha mAlika) kauna hai? Apako anDarahenDa kI Adata hai isalie Apako UparI milate haiM, nahIM to ApakA koI UparI nahIM hai aura ApakA koI anDarahenDa nahIM hai, aisA yaha varlDa hai! ise to samajhane kI z2arUrata hai, aura kucha hai nhiiN| pUre varlDa meM saba jagaha ghUma AyA, aisI koI jagaha nahIM hai ki jahA~ para UparIpana ho| bhagavAna nAma kA ApakA koI UparI hai nhiiN| Apake jokhimadAra Apa khuda hI ho| pUre varlDa ke loga mAnate haiM ki jagat bhagavAna ne bnaayaa| parantu jo punarjanma kA siddhAMta samajhate haiM unase aisA nahIM mAnA jA sakatA ki bhagavAna ne banAyA hai| punarjanma arthAt kyA ki 'maiM karatA

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karma kA vijJAna hU~ aura maiM bhogatA huuN| aura mere hI karmoM kA phala bhugatatA huuN| isameM bhagavAna kI daqhala hai hI nhiiN|' khuda jo kucha karatA hai, khuda kI z2immedArI para hI yaha saba kiyA jAtA hai, kisakI z2immedArI para hai yaha? samajha meM AyA praznakartA : Aja taka aisA samajhatA thA ki bhagavAna kI z2immedArI hai| dAdAzrI : nahIM, khuda kI hI z2immedArI hai! hola enDa sola risponsibiliTI khuda kI hai, parantu usa AdamI ko golI kyoM mArI? ve risponsibala the, usakA yaha phala milA aura vaha mAranevAlA risponsibala hogA, taba use usakA phala milegaa| usakA TAima AegA taba vaha phala degaa| jaise Aja Ama per3a para lagA, to Aja ke Aja hI Ama lAkara usakA rasa nahIM nikAla skte| vaha to TAima ho jAe, bar3I ho, pake, taba rasa nikalatA hai| usI taraha yaha golI lagI na, usase pahale pakakara taiyAra hotI hai, taba lagatI hai| yoM hI nahIM lgtii| aura mAranevAle ne golI mArI, usako Aja itanA choTA-sA Ama banA hai, vaha bar3A hone ke bAda pakegA, usake bAda usakA rasa niklegaa| karmabaMdhana, AtmA ko yA deha ko? praznakartA : to phira aba karmabaMdhana kise hotA hai, AtmA ko yA deha ko? dAdAzrI : yaha deha to khuda hI karma hai| phira dUsarA baMdhana use kahA~ se hogA? yaha to jise baMdhana lagatA ho, jo jela meM baiThA ho, use baMdhana hai| jela ko baMdhana hotA hai yA jela meM baiThA ho use baMdhana hai? yAnI yaha deha to jela hai aura usake aMdara baiThA hai na use baMdhana hai| 'maiM baMdhA huA hU~, maiM deha hU~, maiM caMdUbhAI hU~', mAnatA hai, use baMdhana hai| praznakartA : yAnI Apa kahanA cAhate haiM ki AtmA deha ke mAdhyama

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9 karma kA vijJAna se karma bAMdhatA hai aura deha ke mAdhyama se karma chor3atA hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, aisA nahIM hai| AtmA to isameM hAtha DAlatA hI nahIM hai| vAstava meM to AtmA alaga hI hai, svataMtra hai| vizeSabhAva se hI yaha ahaMkAra khar3A hotA hai aura vaha karma bAMdhatA hai aura vahI karma bhugatatA hai| 'Apa ho zuddhAtmA' parantu bolate ho ki 'maiM caMdUbhAI huuN|' jahA~ khuda nahIM hai, vahA~ Aropa karanA ki 'maiM hU~, vaha ahaMkAra kahalAtA hai| parAye ke sthAna ko khuda kA sthAna mAnatA hai, vaha igoiz2ama hai| yaha ahaMkAra chUTe to khuda ke sthAna meM AyA jA sakatA hai| vahA~ baMdhana hai hI nhiiN| karma anAdi se AtmA ke saMga praznakartA : to AtmA kI karma rahita sthiti hotI hogI na? vaha kaba hotI hai? dAdAzrI : jise eka bhI saMyoga kI vaLagaNAM (pAza, baMdhana) nahIM ho na, use karma cipakate hI nahIM kabhI bhii| jise kisI bhI prakAra kI vaLagaNAM nahIM hotI, use aisA kisI bhI prakAra kA karma kA hisAba nahIM hai ki use karma cipkeN| abhI siddhagati meM jo siddha bhagavaMta haiM, unheM kisI prakAra ke karma nahIM cipakate haiN| vaLagaNAM khatma ho gaI ki cipakate nhiiN| ___ yaha to saMsAra meM vaLagaNAM khar3I ho gaI hai aura vaha anAdi kAla kI karma kI vaLagaNAM hai| aura vaha sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa se hai saaraa| sabhI tatva gatimAna hote rahate haiM aura tatvoM ke gatimAna hone se hI yaha saba khar3A huA hai| yaha sArI bhrAMti utpanna huI hai| usase ye sabhI vizeSa bhAva utpanna hue haiN| bhrAMti kA matalaba hI vishessbhaav| usakA mUla jo svabhAva thA, usake badale vizeSabhAva utpanna huA aura usake kAraNa yaha sArA badalAva huA hai| yAnI pahale AtmA karma rahita thA, aisA kabhI huA hI nhiiN| yAnI ki vaha jaba jJAnI puruSa ke pAsa AtA hai, taba kAphI kucha karma kA bojha halkA ho cukA hotA hai aura halke karmavAlA ho cukA hotA hai| halke karmavAlA hai tabhI to jJAnI puruSa milate haiN| milate haiM, vaha bhI sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa haiN| khuda ke prayatna se

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10 karma kA vijJAna hI karane jAe to aisA hogA hI nhiiN| sahaja prayatna, sahaja rUpa se mila jAe, taba kAma ho jAtA hai| karma, ye saMyoga haiM, aura viyogI unakA svabhAva hai| saMbaMdha, AtmA aura karma ke... praznakartA : to AtmA aura karma, inake bIca kyA saMbaMdha hai? dAdAzrI : donoM ke bIca karttArUpI kar3I nahIM ho to donoM alaga ho jaaeN| AtmA, AtmA kI jagaha para aura karma, karma kI jagaha para alaga ho jaaeN| praznakartA : samajha meM nahIM AyA ThIka se| dAdAzrI : kartA nahIM bane to karma hai nhiiN| kartA hai, to karma hai| kartA nahIM bano na, aura Apa yaha kArya kara rahe hoM na to bhI Apako karma nahIM bNdhegaa| yaha to karttApada hai Apako, 'maiMne kiyaa|' isalie bNdhaa| praznakartA : to karma hI kartA hai? dAdAzrI : 'kartA' vaha kartA hai| 'karma', vaha kartA nahIM hai| Apa 'maiMne kiyA' kahate ho yA 'karma ne kiyA' kahate ho? praznakartA : 'maiM karatA hU~' aisA to bhItara rahatA hI hai na! 'maiMne kiyA' aisA hI kahate haiN| dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha 'kartA', 'maiM karatA hU~' aisA kahate ho, isalie hI Apa kartA banate ho| bAqI 'karma' kartA nahIM hai| 'AtmA' bhI kartA nahIM hai| praznakartA : karma eka tarapha hai aura AtmA dUsarI tarapha hai| to ina donoM ko alaga kisa taraha kareM? ___ dAdAzrI : alaga hI haiN| yaha kar3I nikala jAe na to, parantu yaha to karttApada kI kar3I hI hai| isa kar3I ke kAraNa ba~dhA huA lagatA hai|

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karma kA vijJAna 11 karttApada gayA, karttApada karanevAlA gayA, 'maiMne kiyA', aisA bolanevAlA gayA to ho cukA, khatama ho gyaa| donoM alaga hI haiM phira to / karma ba~dheM, vaha to aMtaH kriyA praznakartA : manuSya ko karma lAgU hote hoMge yA nahIM? dAdAzrI : niraMtara karma bA~dhate hI rahate haiM / dUsarA kucha karate hI nahIM / manuSya kA ahaMkAra aisA hai ki khAtA nahIM, pItA nahIM, saMsAra nahIM basAtA, vyApAra nahIM karatA, phira bhI mAtra ahamkAra hI karatA hai ki 'maiM karatA hU~', usase sAre karma bA~dhate rahate haiM / vaha bhI Azcarya hai na? yaha prUva (sAbita) ho sake aisA hai ! khAtA nahIM hai, pItA nahIM hai, yaha prUva ho sake aisA hai| phira bhI karma karatA hai, vaha bhI prUva ho sakatA hai / aura sirpha manuSya hI karma bA~dhate haiM / praznakartA : zarIra ke lie khAte-pIte hoM, parantu phira bhI khuda karma nahIM bhI karate ho na? dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, koI vyakti karma karatA ho na to A~kha se dikhatA nahIM hai| dikhatA hai Apako? yaha jo A~khoM se dikhatA hai na, use duniyA ke loga karma kahate haiM / inhoMne yaha kiyA, inhoMne yaha kiyA, isane ise mArA, aisA karma bA~dhA / aba jagat ke loga aisA hI kahate haiM na? praznakartA : hA~, jaisA dikhAI detA hai aisA kahate haiM / dAdAzrI : karma yAnI usakI pravRtti kyA huI, usako gAlI dI to bhI karma bA~dhA, usako mArA to bhI karma bA~dhA / khAyA to bhI karma bA~dhA, so gayA to bhI karma bA~dhA, kyA pravRtti karatA hai, use loga karma kahate haiN| parantu vAstava meM jo dikhatA hai vaha karmaphala hai, vaha karma nahIM hai / karma ba~dhate haiM, taba aMtaradAha hotA rahatA hai| choTe bacce ko kar3avI davAI pilAe~ taba kyA karatA hai? mu~ha bigAr3atA hai na! aura mIThI cIz2a khilAe to? khuza hotA hai / isa jagat meM jIva mAtra rAga-dveSa karate haiM, ve

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karma kA vijJAna 12 sabhI kaoNz2ez2a haiM aura unameM se ye karma utpanna hue haiN| jo khuda ko pasaMda haiM, ve, aura nahIM pasaMda haiM ve, donoM karma Ate haiM / nApasaMda kATakara jAte haiM, yAnI duHkha dekara jAte haiM, aura pasaMda AnevAle sukha dekara jAte haiN| yAnI ki kaoNz2ez2a pichale janma meM hue haiM, ve isa janma meM phala dete haiN| karmabIja ke niyama praznakartA: karmabIja kI aisI koI samajha hai ki yaha bIja par3egA aura yaha nahIM par3egA? dAdAzrI : hA~, Apa kaho ki 'yaha nAztA kitanA acchA banA hai, ise maiMne khAyA', to bIja pdd'aa| 'maiMne khAyA' bolane meM harja nahIM hai / 'kauna khAtA hai' vaha Apako jAnanA cAhie ki 'maiM nahIM khAtA hU~, khAnevAlA khAtA hai', para yaha to khuda karttA bana jAtA hai aura karttA bane to hI bIja Dalate haiN| gAliyA~ de to usa para dveSa nahIM, phUla car3hAe yA uThAkara ghUme to usa para rAga nahIM, to karma nahIM ba~dheMge use| hai? praznakartA : rAga -dveSa hoM aura patA nahIM cale, usakA upAya kyA dAdAzrI : yaha inAma milatA hai vaha, AnevAle janma kA bhaTakanA jArI rahatA hai usakA / saMbaMdha, deha aura AtmA kA.... praznakartA: deha aura AtmA ke bIca kA saMbaMdha adhika vistAra se samajhAie na! dAdAzrI : yaha jo deha hai, vaha AtmA kI ajJAnatA se utpanna huA pariNAma hai| jo-jo 'kaoNz2ez2a' kie the, unakA yaha 'iphekTa' hai / koI Apako phUla car3hAe to Apa khuza ho jAte ho, aura koI gAlI de to Apa cir3ha jAte ho| usa cir3hane meM aura khuza hone meM bAhya darzana kI qImata

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karma kA vijJAna nahIM hai| aMtara-bhAva se karma cArja hotA hai| usakA phira agale janma meM DiscArja hotA hai, usa samaya vaha 'iphekTiva' hai| ye mana-vacana-kAyA tInoM iphekTiva haiN| iphekTa bhogate samaya dUsare naye kaoNz2ez2a utpanna hote haiN| jo agale janma meM vApisa iphekTiva hote haiN| isa taraha kaoNz2ez2a enDa iphekTa, iphekTa enDa kaoNz2ez2a aisA cakra calatA hI rahatA hai, isalie faoNrena ke sAinTisToM ko bhI samajha meM AtA hai ki bhAI isa taraha punarjanma hai| taba bahuta khuza ho jAte haiM ki iphekTa enDa kaoNz2ez2a haiM yaha! to ye saba iphekTa haiN| Apa vakAlata karate ho, vaha saba iphekTa hai| iphekTa meM ahaMkAra nahIM karanA cAhie ki 'maiMne kiyaa|' iphekTa to apane Apa hI AtA hai| yaha pAnI nIce jAtA hai, vaha aise nahIM kahatA ki, 'maiM jA rahA hU~', vaha samudra kI tarapha cAra sau mIla aise-vaise calakara jAtA hI hai na! aura manuSya to kisIkA kesa (mukadamA) jitavA de to 'maiMne kaise jitavA diyA' kahatA hai| aba usakA usane ahaMkAra kiyA, usase karma ba~dhA, kaoNz2a huaa| usakA phala vApisa iphekTa meM aaegaa| kAraNa-kArya ke rahasya iphekTa Apa samajha gae? apane Apa hotA hI rahe, vaha iphektt| hama parIkSA dete haiM na, vaha kaoNz2a kahalAtA hai| phira pariNAma kI ciMtA hameM nahIM karanI hotI hai| vaha to iphekTa hai| yaha jagat pUrA iphekTa kI ciMtA karatA hai| vAstava meM to kaoNz2a ke lie ciMtA karanI cAhie! yaha vijJAna terI samajha meM AyA? vijJAna saiddhAMtika hotA hai| avirodhAbhAsa hotA hai| tUne biz2anesa kiyA aura do lAkha kamAe, vaha kaoNz2a hai yA iphekTa? praznakartA : kaoNz2ez2a haiN| dAdAzrI : kisa taraha kaoNz2ez2a haiM, vaha mujhe samajhA? icchAnusAra kara sakatA hai? praznakartA : Apa biz2anesa kareM aura jo honevAlA hai vaha hogA hI,

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14 karma kA vijJAna vaha iphekTa hotA hai| para biz2anesa karane ke lie kaoNz2ez2a to karane par3ate haiM na? to biz2anesa kara sakate haiM na? dAdAzrI : nahIM, kaoNz2ez2a meM dUsarI koI rileTiva vastu kA upayoga nahIM hotaa| biz2anesa to zarIra acchA ho, dimAg2a acchA ho, saba ho, taba hotA hai na! sabake AdhAra para jo hotA hai, vaha iphekTa hai aura jo vyakti sote sote 'isakA kharAba hogA, aisA hogA', aisA kare ve saba kaoNz2ez2a, kyoMki usameM AdhAra yA kisI cIz2a kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| praznakartA : hama jo biz2anesa karate haiM, to vaha iphekTa kahalAtA dAdAzrI : iphekTa hI kahate haiM na! biz2anesa, vaha iphekTa hI hai| parIkSA kA pariNAma Ae, usameM kucha karanA par3atA hai? parIkSA meM karanA par3atA hai, ve kaoNz2ez2a kahalAte haiN| kucha karanA par3e, vaha bhI pariNAma meM kucha karanA par3atA hai? praznakartA : nhiiN| dAdAzrI : usI taraha isameM kucha karanA nahIM pdd'taa| vaha saba hotA hI rahatA hai| apanA zarIra kAma meM AtA hai aura saba hotA hI rahatA hai| kaoNz2a meM to khuda ko karanA par3atA hai| karttAbhAva hai, vaha kaoNz2a hai, bAqI saba iphekTa hai| bhoktAbhAva, vaha kaoNz2a hai| praznakartA : jo bhAva haiM, ve sabhI kaoNz2ez2a haiM, tthiik| dAdAzrI : hA~, jahA~ dUsare kisIkI helpa kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| Apa khAnA banAo pharsTa klAsa, vaha saba iphekTa hI hai, aura usameM Apa bhAva karo ki 'maiMne kitanA acchA khAnA banAyA, kitanA acchA bnaayaa|' vaha bhAva ApakA kaoNz2a hai| yadi bhAva nahIM karo to saba iphekTa hI hai| sunA jA sake, dekhA jA sake, ve saba iphekTsa haiN| kaoNz2ez2a dekhe nahIM jA skte| praznakartA : to pA~ca indriyoM se jo kucha hotA hai, vaha iphekTa hai?

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karma kA vijJAna dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha saba iphekTa hai| pUrI lAipha hI iphekTa hai| usake aMdara jo bhAva hote haiM, ve bhAva kaoNz2a haiM, aura bhAva kA kartA honA caahie| jagat ke loga, ve to kartA haiN| karma ba~dhane se ruka gae yAnI pUrA ho gyaa| aisA Apako samajha meM AtA hai kyA? Apake karma ba~dhane se ruka jAte hoMge? kisI dina dekhA hai vaha? zubha meM par3o to zubha baMdhatA hai, nahIM to azubha to hotA hI hai| karma choDate hI nahIM! aura 'khuda kauna hai, yaha saba kauna karatA hai', vaha saba jAna le, phira karma baMdhege hI nahIM na! pahalA karma kisa taraha AyA? praznakartA : karma kI thyorI ke anusAra karma baMdhate haiM aura unheM bhugatanA par3atA hai| aba usa taraha Apane kaoNz2a aura iphekTa batAe, to unameM pahale kaoNz2a phira usakA iphekTa, to hama tArkika dRSTi se soceM aura pIche jAte jAe~ to sabase prathama kaoNz2a kisa taraha AyA hogA? dAdAzrI : anAdi meM pahalA nahIM hotA na! yaha mAlA Apane dekhI hai golAkAra? ye sUryanArAyaNa ghUmate haiM, to usakI biginiMga kahA~ se karate hoMge? praznakartA : unheM biginiMga hotI hI nhiiN| dAdAzrI : arthAt isa duniyA kI biginiMga kisI jagaha para hai nhiiN| pUrI hI gola hai, rAunDa hI hai| isameM se chuTakArA hai lekin| biginiMga nahIM hai isakI! AtmA hai, isalie chuTakArA ho sakatA hai| para usakI biginiMga nahIM hai| rAunDa hai pUrA hI, hara eka cIz2a raaundd| koI cIz2a caukora nahIM hai| caukora ho to hama use kaheM ki isa kone se zurU huA hai aura isa kone para mila gyaa| rAunDa meM konA kauna-sA? pUrA jagat hI rAunDa hai, usameM buddhi kAma kara sake, aisA nahIM hai| isalie buddhi se kaheM, baiTha eka tarapha, buddhi pahu~ca sake aisA nahIM hai| jJAna se samajha meM Ae aisA hai|

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karma kA vijJAna aMDA pahale yA murgI phle| mue, rakha na ise eka or| yahA~ se usa ora rakhakara dUsarI Age kI bAta kara na! nahIM to aMDA aura murgI bananA pdd'egaa| bAra-bAra use chor3egA nahIM muaa| jisakA samAdhAna nahIM ho, vaha sabhI gola hai| vaha apane loga nahIM kahate, gola-gola bAta karate haiM ye bhaaii| praznakartA : phira bhI yaha prazna hotA hI rahatA hai ki janma se pahale karma kahA~ se? caurAsI lAkha phere zurU hue| yaha pApa-puNya kahA~ se, kaba se zurU hue? dAdAzrI : anAdi se| praznakartA : usakI zurUAta to kucha hogI na? dAdAzrI : jaba se buddhi zurU huI na taba se zurUAta aura buddhi kA enDa ho, vahA~ pUrA ho jAtA hai| samajha meM AyA na? bAqI hai anAdi se! praznakartA : yaha jo buddhi hai, vaha kisane dI? dAdAzrI : denevAlA hai hI kauna? koI bhI UparI hai hI nahIM na! koI hai nahIM na, dUsarA koii| koI denevAlA ho, taba to UparI tthhraa| UparI ThaharA, isalie hamezA vaha hamAre sira para rhegaa| phira mokSa hogA hI nahIM, duniyA meN| UparI ho, vahA~ mokSa hotA hogA? praznakartA : parantu sabase pahalA karma kauna-sA huA? jisake kAraNa yaha zarIra milA? dAdAzrI : yaha zarIra to kisIne diyA nahIM hai| ye sabhI chaha tatvoM ke ikaTThe hone se, unake aise Amane-sAmane joinTa hone se 'use' ye sArI avasthAe~ utpanna huI haiN| vaha zarIra milA hI nhiiN| yaha to Apako dikhatA hai vahI bhUla hai| bhrAMti se dikhatA hai| yaha bhrAMti jAe na, to kucha bhI nahIM rhe| yaha Apa jo 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~', aisA samajhate ho, usase yaha khar3A huA hai saaraa|

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karma kA vijJAna 17 karma eka yA aneka janmoM ke? praznakartA : ye sabhI karma haiM, ve eka hI janma meM nahIM bhoge jaate| isalie aneka janma lene par3ate haiM na, unheM bhugatane ke lie? jaba taka karma pUre nahIM hoM, taba taka mokSa kahA~ hai? dAdAzrI : mokSa kI to bAta hI kahA~ gaI, usa janma ke karma jaba pUre hote haiM taba deha chUTatI hai| aura taba bhItara naye karma ba~dha hI gae hote haiN| isalie mokSa kI to bAta hI kahA~ karane kI rahI? purAne, dUsare koI pichale karma nahIM aate| Apa abhI bhI karma bA~dha rahe ho| abhI Apa yaha bAta kara rahe ho na, isa ghar3I bhI puNyakarma bA~dha rahe ho| puNyAnubaMdhI puNyakarma bA~dha rahe ho| kare kauna aura bhugate kauna? praznakartA : dAdA, pichale janma meM jo karma kie, ve isa janma meM bhugatane par3ate haiM, to pichale janma meM jisa deha se bhugate the, vaha deha to jala gayA, AtmA to nirvikAra svarUpa hai, vaha AtmA dUsarI deha lekara AtA hai, parantu isa deha ko pichale janma ke deha kA kiyA huA karma kisalie bhugatanA par3atA hai? dAdAzrI : usa deha se kie hue karma to yaha deha bhugatakara hI jAtI hai| praznakartA : to? dAdAzrI : yaha to citrita kie hue, ve mAnasika krm| sUkSma krm| arthAt jise hama kaoNz2ala baoNDI kahate haiM na, koNj'ej'| praznakartA : ThIka hai, parantu usa deha ne bhAva kie the na? dAdAzrI : deha ne bhAva nahIM kie| praznakartA : to?

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18 karma kA vijJAna dAdAzrI : deha ne to khuda usakA phala bhugatA na! do dhaula mArI isalie deha ko phala mila hI jAtA hai| parantu usakI yojanA meM thA, vaha isa rUpaka meM aayaa| praznakartA : hA~, para yojanA kI kisane? usa deha ne yojanA kI thI na? dAdAzrI : deha ko to lenA-denA nahIM hai na! basa, ahaMkAra hI karatA hai yaha sb| isa janma kA isI janma meM? praznakartA : ina sabhI karmoM ke phala apane isI jIvana meM bhugatane haiM yA phira agale janma meM bhI bhugatane par3ate haiM? dAdAzrI : pichale janma meM jo karma kie the, ve yojanA ke rUpa meM the| yAnI ki kAgaz2a para likhI huI yojnaa| aba ve rUpaka ke rUpa meM abhI Ate haiM, phala dene ke lie sammukha hoM, taba ve prArabdha kahalAte haiN| kitane kAla meM paripakva hote haiM? ve pacAsa, pacahattara yA sau varSoM meM paripakva hote haiM, to phala dene ke lie sammukha hote haiN| arthAt pichale janma meM karma bA~dhe the, ve kitane hI varSoM meM paripakva hote haiM, taba yahA~ phala dete haiM aura ve phala dete haiM, usa samaya jagat ke loga kyA kahate haiM, ki isane karma baaNdhaa| isane isa AdamI ko do dhaula mAra dI, use jagat ke loga kyA kahate haiM? karma bA~dhA isne| kauna-sA karma bA~dhA? taba kahe, 'do dhaula mAra dii|' use usakA phala bhoganA pdd'egaa| vaha yahA~ para vApisa milegA hii| kyoMki dhauleM mArI, parantu Aja mAra khAnevAlA DhIlA par3a gayA, para phira maukA milegA, taba badalA lie binA rahegA nahIM na! jaba ki loga kahate haiM ki dekho karma kA phala bhugatA na Akhira! to isIko kahA jAtA hai, 'yahIM para phala bhugtnaa|' parantu hamaloga use kahate haiM ki terI bAta saca hai| isakA phala bhugatanA hai, parantu ve do dhauleM kyoM mArI usane? vaha kisa AdhAra para? vaha AdhAra use milatA

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karma kA vijJAna nahIM hai| vaha to kahegA ki 'usane hI maaraa|' yaha to vaha udayakarma use nacAtA hai| arthAt pahale jo karma kiyA hai, vaha nacAtA hai| praznakartA : vaha jo dhaula mArI, vaha karma kA phala hai, karma nahIM hai, vaha ThIka hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha karmaphala hai| isalie udayakarma usase yaha karavAtA hai aura vaha do dhauleM mAra detA hai| phira vaha mAra khAnevAlA kyA kahatA hai, ki 'bhAI, aura eka-do lagA na!' taba vaha kahegA, 'maiM kyA binA akkalavAlA mUrkha hU~?' ulTe DA~TatA hai| pahale jo mArA thA, usakA kAraNa hai| donoM kA hisAba ho na, usa hisAba se bAhara nahIM hotA hai kucha bhii| yAnI ki yaha jagat aisA hai ki hisAbI hai, yAnI ki eka-eka AnA aura pAI sahita hisAba hai| isalie jagat Darane jaisA hai hI nahIM, bilkula hI caina se so jAne jaisA hai| phira bhI bilkula aisA niDara nahIM ho jAnA cAhie ki mujhe kucha nahIM hogaa| karmaphala - lokabhASA meM, jJAnI kI bhASA meM praznakartA : saba yahIM ke yahIM bhugatanA hai, aisA kahate haiM, vaha kyA galata hai? dAdAzrI : bhugatanA yahIM ke yahIM hI hai, para vaha isa jagat kI bhASA meM hai| alaukika bhASA meM usakA artha kyA hotA hai? pichale janma meM ahaMkAra kA, mAna kA karma ba~dhA hotA hai, to isa janma meM unakI sArI bilDIMga banatI haiM, taba phira usase vaha usameM mAnI banatA hai| kisalie mAnI banatA hai? karma ke hisAba se vaha mAnI banatA hai| aba mAnI banA, use jagat ke loga kyA kahate haiM ki, 'yaha karma bA~dha rahA hai, yaha aisA mAna karatA hai|' jagat ke loga ise karma kahate haiN| jaba ki bhagavAna kI bhASA meM to yaha karma kA phala AyA hai| phala arthAt mAna nahIM karanA ho to bhI karanA hI par3atA hai, ho hI jAtA hai| aura jagat ke loga jise kahate haiM ki 'yaha krodha karatA hai, mAna

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20 karma kA vijJAna karatA hai, ahaMkAra karatA hai', aba usakA phala yahIM ke yahIM hI bhugatanA par3atA hai| mAna kA phala yahIM ke yahIM kyA AtA hai ki apakIrti phailatI hai, apayaza phailatA hai, vaha yahIM para bhugatanA par3atA hai| ye mAna karate haiM, usa samaya yadi mana meM aisA ho ki yaha galata ho rahA hai, aisA nahIM honA cAhie, hameM mAna vilaya karane kI z2arUrata hai, aisA bhAva ho to vaha nayA karma bA~dhatA hai| usake kAraNa se AnevAle janma meM phira mAna kama ho jAtA hai| karma kI thiyarI aisI hai| galata hote samaya bhItara bhAva badala jAe~ to nayA karma vaisA ba~dhatA hai| aura yadi galata kare aura Upara se khuza ho ki, 'aisA hI karane jaisA hai' to usase phira nayA karma maz2abUta hotA jAtA hai, nikAcita ho jAtA hai| use phira bhugatanA hI par3egA! pUrA sAinsa hI samajhane jaisA hai| vItarAgoM kA vijJAna bahuta guhya hai| ... yA isa janma kA agale janma meM? praznakartA : to isa janma meM kie hue karmoM kA phala kyA agale janma meM mila sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, isa janma meM nahIM miltaa| praznakartA : to abhI jo hama bhugata rahe haiM, vaha pichale janma kA phala hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, pichale janma kA phala hai aura sAtha-sAtha naye karma AnevAle janma ke lie ba~dha rahe haiN| isalie naye karma Apako acche karane caahie| yaha to bigar3A hai para AnevAlA nahIM bigar3e, itanA dekhate rahanA hai| praznakartA : abhI kaliyuga cala rahA hai, abhI manuSya acche karma to kara nahIM sakatA, kaliyuga ke prabhAva se| dAdAzrI : acche karmoM kI z2arUrata nahIM hai|

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karma kA vijJAna praznakartA : to kisakI z2arUrata hai? / dAdAzrI : bhItara sadbhAvanA kI z2arUrata hai| acche karma to prArabdha acchA ho to ho sakate haiM, nahIM to nahIM ho skte| para acchI bhAvanA to ho sakatI hai, prArabdha acchA nahIM ho to bhii| bure karma kA phala kaba? praznakartA : acche aura bure karma ke phala isI janma meM yA agale janma meM bhugatanA par3atA hai, to vaise jIva mokSagati ko kisa taraha prApta kareM? dAdAzrI : karmoM ke phala nukasAna nahIM krte| karma ke bIja nukasAna karate haiN| mokSa meM jAte hae karma bIja girane baMda ho gae to karmaphala use rukAvaTa nahIM DAlate, karmabIja rukAvaTa DAlate haiN| bIja kisalie rukAvaTa DAlate haiM? ki tUne DAle isalie inakA svAda tU lekara jA, usakA phala cakhakara jaa| unheM cakhe binA nahIM jA sktaa| yAnI ve hI rukAvaTa DAlate haiM, bAqI ye karmaphala rukAvaTa nahIM DAlate haiN| phala to kahate haiM, 'tU apanI taraha se khAkara calA jaa|' praznakartA : parantu ApazrI ne kahA thA ki eka pratizata bhI karma kiyA ho to vaha bhugatanA hI par3atA hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, bhugatanA hI par3atA hai| bhugate bagaira calegA nhiiN| karma ke phala bhogate hue bhI mokSa ho sakatA hai, aisA rAstA hotA hai| parantu karma bA~dhate samaya mokSa nahIM hotaa| kyoMki ve karma bA~dha rahe hoM to abhI phala khAne ke lie rahanA par3egA na! praznakartA : jo acche-bure karma hama karate haiM, ve isI janma meM bhugatane hote haiM yA phira agale janma meM? dAdAzrI : loga dekhate haiM ki, 'isane burA karma kiyA, isane corI kI, isane luccApana (badamAzI) kiyA, isane dagA diyA, ve sabhI yahIM para bhugatane haiM aura una karmoM se hI bhItara rAga-dveSa utpanna hote haiN| unakA phala agale janma meM bhugatanA par3atA hai|'

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karma kA vijJAna pratyeka janma pUrva janma kA sAra praznakartA : abhI jo ye karma haiM, ve anaMta janmoM ke haiM? dAdAzrI : hara eka janma, anaMta janmoM ke sAra ke rUpa meM hotA hai| sabhI janmoM kA eka sAtha nahIM hotaa| kyoMki niyama aisA hai ki paripAka kAla hone para phala pakanA hI cAhie, nahIM to kitane sAre karma raha jaaeNge| praznakartA : yaha saba pichale janma ke sAtha jur3A huA hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~, aisA hai na ki eka janma meM do kArya nahIM kara sakatA hai, kaoNz2ez2a aura iphekTa eka sAtha nahIM kara sktaa| kyoMki kaoNz2ez2a aura iphekTa kI avadhi sAtha meM kisa taraha ho sakatI hai? unakI avadhi pUrI hone para kaoNz2ez2a iphekTiva hote haiN| avadhi pUrI hue binA nahIM hote| jaise ki yaha Ama kA per3a hotA hai na, usa para phUla Ane ke bAda itanA-sA Ama lagatA hai| unake pakane taka samaya lagatA hai yA nahIM? yadi hama dUsare dina minnata mAne ki paka jAe~, to pakeMge? yAnI ye karma jo bA~dhate haiM, unheM paripakva hone ke lie sau varSa cAhie, taba phala dene ke lie sammukha hote haiN| praznakartA : arthAt isa janma ke jo karma haiM, ve pichale janma ke hI hote haiM yA usase bhI pahale ke anaMta janmoM ke hote haiM? dAdAzrI : nahIM, aisA nahIM hai isa kudarata kaa| kudarata to bahuta zuddha hai, jaisA tarIkA vyApAriyoM ko bhI nahIM AtA, utanA acchA tarIkA hai! Aja se dasaveM janma ke karma jo hue hoMge na unakA hisAba nikAlakara, vaha naphA-nukasAna Age khIMca le jAtA hai, nauMve janma meN| aba usameM ye sabhI karma nahIM Ate, sirpha hisAba nikAlakara karma Ate haiN| nauMveM meM se AThaveM meM, AThaveM meM se sAtaveM meN| isa taraha bhItara jitane varSoM kA AyuSya hotA hai, phira utane hI varSoM ke karma hote haiN| parantu ve phira vaise rUpa meM bhItara Ate haiM, parantu ve eka janma ke hI kahalAte haiN| do janma ke ikaTThe nahIM kahe jA skte|

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karma kA vijJAna 23 karma aise hote haiM ki paripakva hone meM dera lagatI hai| kucha logoM ke pA~ca sau varSoM meM haz2Ara - haz2Ara varSoM meM paripakva hote haiM, phira bhI isameM bahIkhAte meM nayA hI hotA hai| praznakartA : kerI phaoNravarDa ho jAtA hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, bahIkhAte kI bAta Apako samajha meM AI? purAne bahIkhAte kA naye bahIkhAte meM A jAtA hai aura aba vaha bhAI nae bahIkhAte meM A jaaegaa| kucha bhI bAqI rahe bagaira / yAnI kaoNz2ez2a ke rUpa meM ye karma ba~dhate haiM, ve iphekTiva kaba hote haiM? pacAsa-sATha - pacahattara varSa bIta jAe~, taba phala dene ke lie iphekTiva hote haiM / ina sabakA saMcAlaka kauna? praznakartA : to yaha saba calAtA kauna hai ? dAdAzrI : yaha saba to, yaha karma kA niyama aisA hai ki Apa jo karma karate ho, unake pariNAma apane Apa kudaratI rUpa se Ate haiN| praznakartA : ina karmoM ke phala hameM bhugatane par3ate haiM, vaha kauna taya karatA hai? kauna bhugatavAtA hai ? dAdAzrI : taya karane kI z2arUrata hI nahIM hai| karma 'iTaselpha' karate rahate haiN| apane Apa khuda hI ho jAtA hai| praznakartA : to phira karma ke niyama ko kauna calAtA hai ? dAdAzrI : 2H aura O ikaTThe ho jAe~ to barasAta ho jAtI hai, vaha karma kA niyama / praznakartA : parantu kisIne use kiyA hogA na, vaha niyama? dAdAzrI : niyama koI nahIM banAtA hai / taba to phira mAlika ThaharegA vaapis| kisIko karane kI z2arUrata nahIM hai / iTaselpha paz2ala ho gayA hai aura vaha vijJAna ke niyama se hotA hai / use hama 'onli sAyanTiphika

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24 karma kA vijJAna sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa' se jagat cala rahA hai, aisA kahate haiN| use gujarAtI meM kahA hai ki 'vyavasthita zakti' jagat calAtI hai| 'vyavasthita zakti' aura karma praznakartA : Apa jo 'vyavasthita' kahate haiM, vaha karma ke anusAra hai? dAdAzrI : jagat kahIM karma se nahIM calatA hai| jagat 'vyavasthita zakti' calAtI hai| Apako yahA~ kauna lekara AyA? karma? nhiiN| Apako 'vyavasthita' lekara AyA hai| karma to bhItara par3A huA thA hii| vaha kala kyoM nahIM lekara AyA aura Aja lekara AyA? 'vyavasthita' kAla ekatra kara detA hai, bhAva ekatra kara detA hai| sabhI saMyoga ikaTThe ho gae, taba tU yahA~ aayaa| karma to 'vyavasthita' kA eka aMza hai| yaha to saMyoga mila jAte haiM taba kahatA hai, 'maiMne kiyA' aura saMyoga nahIM mileM taba? phala mileM oNTomeTika praznakartA : karma kA phala aura koI de to phira vaha karma hI huA? dAdAzrI : karma kA phala aura koI detA hI nhiiN| karma kA phala denevAlA koI janmA hI nhiiN| yahA~ para sirpha khaTamala mArane kI davAI pI jAe to mara hI jAe, usameM bIca meM phala denevAle kI koI z2arUrata nahIM phala denevAlA ho na, taba to bahuta bar3A oNphisa banAnA pdd'taa| yaha to sAinTiphika tarIke se calatA hai| bIca meM kisIkI z2arUrata nahIM hai! usakA karma paripakva hotA hai taba phala Akara khar3A hI rahatA hai, khuda apane Apa hii| jaise ye kacce Ama apane Apa hI paka jAte haiM na! nahIM pakate? praznakartA : hA~, haaN| dAdAzrI : Ama ke per3a para nahIM pakate? hA~, per3a para pakate haiM na,, usI taraha ye karma paripakva hote haiN| unakA TAima AtA hai, taba pakakara,

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karma kA vijJAna taiyAra hokara phala dene lAyaka ho jAte haiM / praznakartA : pichale janma meM jo hamane karma kie, isa janma meM unakA phala AyA, to ina saba karmoM kA hisAba kauna rakhatA hai? unakA bahIkhAtA kauna rakhatA hai? 25 dAdAzrI : ThaMDa par3atI hai, taba pAipa ke aMdara pAnI hotA hai, use barpha kauna banA detA hai? vaha to vAtAvaraNa ThaMDA huA isalie ! onlI sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa ! ye saba karma-varma karate haiM, unakA phala AtA hai vaha bhI eviDensa haiN| tujhe bhUkha kauna lagavAtA hai? saba sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa haiM, unase saba calatA hai! karmaphala meM 'oNrDara' kA AdhAra praznakartA : kauna-se oNrDara (krama) meM karmoM kA phala AtA hai ? jisa oNrDara meM usakA ba~dhA huA ho, vaise hI oNrDara meM usakA phala AtA hai? yAnI pahale ye karma bA~dhA, phira yaha karma bA~dhA, phira yaha karma baaNdhaa| eka naMbara kA karma yaha bA~dhA, to usakA DiscArja bhI phira pahale vahI AtA hai? phira do naMbara kA bA~dhA, usakA DiscArja dUsare naMbara para AtA hai, aisA hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, aisA nahIM hai / praznakartA : haM, to kaisA hai, vaha z2arA samajhAie / dAdAzrI : nahIM, aisA nahIM hai / ve sabhI unake svabhAva ke anusAra saba seTa ho jAte haiM ki ye dina meM bhugatane ke karma, ye rAta meM bhugatane ke karma, ye sabhI... isa taraha seTa ho jAte haiM / ye duHkha meM bhugatane ke karma, ye sukha meM bhugatane ke karma, aise seTa ho jAte haiM / vaisI saba vyavasthA ho jAtI hai unkii| praznakartA : vaha vyavasthA kisa AdhAra para hotI hai ? dAdAzrI : svabhAva ke AdhAra pr| hama saba milate haiM, to sabhI

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26 karma kA vijJAna milate-julate svabhAvavAle hoM, tabhI milate haiN| nahIM to hotA nhiiN| kevalajJAna meM hI vaha dikhe praznakartA : yaha karma nayA hai yA purAnA hai, vaha kisa taraha dikhegA? dAdAzrI : karma kiyA yA nahIM kiyA, yaha to kisIse bhI nahIM dekhA jA sktaa| vaha to bhagavAna, ki jinheM kevalajJAna hai, ve hI jAna sakate haiN| isa jagat meM Apako jo karma dikhate haiM, unameM eka rAI jitanA bhI karma nayA nahIM hai| ina karmoM ke jJAtA-dRSTA raho to nayA karma nahIM ba~dhegA aura tanmayAkAra raho to naye karma ba~dhate haiN| AtmajJAnI hone ke bAda hI karma nahIM bNdhte| isa jagat meM AtmA dikhatA nahIM hai, karma bhI nahIM dikhate, parantu karmaphala dikhate haiN| logoM ko, karmaphala Ate haiM unameM 'TesTa' AtA hai, taba unameM tanmayAkAra ho jAte haiM, usase hI bhugatanA par3atA hai| abhI mue kahA~ se? praznakartA : bahuta bAra aisA hotA hai ki hama azubha karma bA~dha rahe ho aura usa samaya bAhara to udaya zubhakarma kA hotA hai? / dAdAzrI : hA~, aisA hotA hai| abhI Apake zubha karma kA udaya ho para bhItara azubha karma bA~dha sakate haiN| Apa dUsare zahara se yahA~ siTI meM Ae hoM aura rAta ko dera ho gaI ho to aMdara lagatA hai ki aba hama kahA~ soe~ge? to phira Apa kahate ho ki yahA~ mere eka mitra rahate haiM, vahA~ hama cleN| isalie cAra loga ve aura Apa pA~cave, sAr3he gyAraha baje usa mitra ke vahA~ jAkara daravAz2A khttkhttaayaa| ve bole 'kauna hai?' taba Apa kaho, 'maiN'| taba vaha kahe, 'kholatA huuN'| vaha daravAz2A kholakara phira kyA kahatA hai hameM? pA~ca vyaktiyoM ko dekhatA hai, hameM akele ko nahIM dekhatA, cAra-pA~ca logoM ko dekhatA hai,

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karma kA vijJAna isalie hameM kyA kahatA hai? 'vApisa jAo' aisA kahatA hai? kyA kahatA hai? 'Aie, padhArie! apane yahA~ to khAnadAnI loga, 'Aie, padhArie' kahakara baiThAte haiN| praznakartA : vaha aisA bhI kahatA hai ki, 'kaba Ae' aura 'kaba jAnevAle ho?' dAdAzrI : nahIM, khAnadAnI aisA nahIM bolte| ve 'Aie, padhArie' karake baiThAte haiM, para usake mana meM kyA cala rahA hotA hai? ki abhI kahA~ se mue! vaha krm| vaisA karane kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| ve Ae haiM, unakA hisAba hogA taba taka rheNge| phira cale jaaeNge| usane jo yaha akkalamaMdI kI ki, 'abhI kahA~ se mue' vaha karma baaNdhaa| aba vaha karma bA~dhA taba mujhe pUchanA thA ki "aisA ho jAtA hai mujhase, taba kyA karU~? taba maiM kahU~ ki, usa ghar3I kRSNa bhagavAna ko mAnatA ho, cAhe jinheM mAnatA ho, unakA nAma lekara 'he bhagavAna! merI bhUla ho gii| aisA phira nahIM kruuNgaa|' isa taraha mAfI mA~ge to miTa jaaegaa|" bA~dhA huA karma turanta hI miTa jaaegaa| jaba taka ciTThI posTa meM nahIM DAleM, taba taka use badala sakate haiN| posTa meM calA gayA yAnI ki yaha deha chUTa gaI, phira baMdha gyaa| deha chuTe usase pahale hama vaha saba miTA deM to miTa jaaegaa| aba usane eka karma to bA~dhA na? aba vApisa phira tujhe kyA kahatA hai? 'caMdUbhAI itanI itanI...' kyA bole 'itanI' ve? yAnI kaoNphI yA cAya kucha nahIM bolate, para hama samajha jAte haiM ki cAya ke lie kaha rahe haiN| para ve 'itanI thor3I-thor3I...' taba Apa kahate ho, 'abhI rahane do na cAya-vAya, abhI khicar3I-kar3hI hogI to clegaa|' taba phira aMdara unakI patnI cir3ha jAtI hai| usase karma ba~dhate haiM saare| aba usa ghar3I yaha kudarata kA niyama hai| vaha hisAba meM AyA hai, to usake lie bhAva mata bigaaddnaa| isa prakAra niyama meM rahe aura bhale khicar3I aura kar3hI jo apane pAsa ho, vaha de denaa| mehamAna aisA nahIM kahate ki Apa miThAI khilaaie| khicar3I-kar3hI, sabjI, jo ho vaha proso| yaha

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28 karma kA vijJAna to phira iz2jata calI jAegI, usake lie yaha vApisa khicar3I-kar3hI nahIM parosatA, dUsarA halavA Adi parosatA hai| para aMdara mana meM phira gAliyA~ detA hai| abhI kahA~ se mue! vaha usakA krm| yAnI aisA nahIM honA caahie| isIlie mata bigAr3o bhAva kabhI praznakartA : puNyakarma aura pApakarma kisa taraha ba~dhate haiM? dAdAzrI : dUsaroM ko sukha dene kA bhAva kiyA, usase puNya ba~dhatA hai aura dUsaroM ko duHkha dene kA bhAva kiyA, usase pApa ba~dhatA hai| mAtra bhAva se hI karma ba~dhate haiM, kriyA se nhiiN| kriyA meM vaisA ho yA nahIM bhI ho, parantu bhAva meM jaisA ho vaisA karma ba~dhatA hai| isalie bhAva ko bigAr3anA mt| koI bhI kArya svArtha bhAva se kareM taba pApa karma ba~dhatA hai aura ni:svArtha bhAva se kareM taba puNyakarma ba~dhatA hai| parantu donoM hI karma haiM na! jo puNyakarma kA phala hai, vaha sone kI ber3I, aura pApa karma kA phala, lohe kI bedd'ii| para donoM ber3iyA~ hI haiM na? sthUla karma : sUkSma karma eka seTha ne pacAsa haz2Ara rupaye dAna meM die| to usake mitra ne unase pUchA, 'itane sAre rupaye de die?' taba seTha bole, 'maiM to eka paisA bhI hU~, vaisA nahIM huuN| ye to isa meyara ke dabAva ke kAraNa dene pdd'e|' aba isakA phala vahA~ kyA milegA? pacAsa haz2Ara kA dAna diyA, vaha sthUla karma, usakA phala yahIM kA yahIM seTha ko mila jAtA hai| loga 'vAha-vAha' karate haiN| kIrtigAna karate haiM aura seTha ne bhItara sUkSma karma meM kyA cArja kiyA? taba kaheM, 'eka paisA bhI , vaisA nahIM huuN|' usakA phala AnevAle janma meM milegaa| taba agale janma meM seTha eka paisA bhI dAna meM nahIM de skegaa| aba itanI sUkSma bAta kise samajha meM Ae? vahIM para dUsarA koI garIba ho, usake pAsa bhI ve hI loga gae hoM dAna lene, taba vaha garIba AdamI kyA kahatA hai ki, 'mere pAsa to abhI

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karma kA vijJAna 29 pA~ca hI rupaye haiM, ve sabhI le lo, para abhI yadi mere pAsa pA~ca lAkha hote to ve sabhI de detaa|' aisA dila se kahatA hai| aba usane pA~ca hI rupaye die, vaha DiscArja meM karmaphala AyA thA, para bhItara sUkSma meM kyA cArja kiyA? pA~ca lAkha rupaye dene kA, to agale janma meM pA~ca lAkha de sakegA, DiscArja hogA tb| eka AdamI dAna detA rahatA ho, dharma kI bhakti karatA ho, maMdiroM meM paise detA ho, pUre dina aura saba dharmakArya karatA rahatA ho, use jagat ke loga kyA kahate haiM ki 'ye dharmiSTha haiN|' aba usa vyakti ke bhItara meM kyA vicAra hote haiM ki kisa taraha ikaTThA karU~ aura kisa taraha bhoga lU~!' aMdara to use aNahakka (binA haqa kA) kI lakSmI chIna lene kI bahuta icchA hotI hai| aNahakka ke viSaya bhoga lene ke lie hI taiyAra hotA isalie bhagavAna usakA eka bhI paisA jamA nahIM karate haiN| usakA kyA kAraNa hai? kyoMki dAna-dharma-kriyA ve sabhI sthUla karma haiN| una sthUla karmoM kA phala yahIM para hI mila jAtA hai| loga usa sthUla karma ko hI agale janma kA karma mAnate haiN| para usakA phala to yahIM para mila jAtA hai aura sUkSma karma, jo ki aMdara ba~dha rahA hai, jisakI logoM ko khabara hI nahIM hai| usakA phala agale janma meM milatA hai| __Aja kisI manuSya ne corI kI, vaha corI sthUla karma hai| usakA phala isI janma meM mila jAtA hai| jaise ki use apayaza milatA hai, pulisavAlA mAratA hai, vaha sArA phala use yahIM para mila jAtA hai| ___arthAt yaha jo sthUlakarma dikhate haiM, sthUla AcAra dikhate haiM, ve 'vahA~' kAma meM nahIM aate| vahA~' to sUkSmabhAva kyA hai? sUkSmakarma kyA hai? utanA hI 'vahA~' kAma AtA hai| aba jagat pUrA sthUla karma para hI eDajasTa ho gayA hai| ye sAdhu-saMnyAsI saba tyAga karate haiM, tapa karate haiM, japa karate haiM, para ve to sAre sthUla karma haiN| unameM sUkSma karma kahA~ haiM? ye dikhate haiM unameM

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30 karma kA vijJAna agale janma kA sUkSma karma nahIM hai| yaha jo karatA hai, usa sthUla karma kA yaza use yahIM para mila jAtA hai| kriyA nahIM para dhyAna se cArjiMga AcArya mahArAja pratikramaNa karate haiM, sAmAyika karate haiM, vyAkhyAna dete haiM, pravacana dete haiM, para vaha to unakA AcAra hai, vaha sthUla karma hai| para bhItara kyA hai, vaha dekhanA hai| bhItara jo cArja hotA hai, vaha 'vahA~' para kAma aaegaa| abhI jisa AcAra kA pAlana karate haiM, vaha DiscArja hai| pUrA bAhyAcAra hI DiscArja svarUpa hai| vahA~ ye loga kahate haiM ki, 'maiMne sAmAyika kI, dhyAna kiyA, dAna diyaa|' to usakA yaza tujhe yahIM para mila jaaegaa| usameM AnevAle janma kA kyA lenA-denA? bhagavAna aisI koI kaccI mAyA nahIM haiM ki tere aise ghoTAle ko calane deN| bAhara sAmAyika karatA hai aura bhItara na jAne kyA karatA hai| eka seTha sAmAyika karane baiThe the, taba bAhara kisIne daravAz2A khaTakhaTAyA, seThAnI ne jAkara daravAz2A kholaa| eka bhAI Ae the, unhoMne pUchA, 'seTha kahA~ gae haiM?' taba seThAnI ne javAba diyA, 'ukaraDe (kUr3AkarakaTa pheMkane kA sthaan)| seTha ne aMdara baiThe-baiThe yaha sunA aura aMdara jA~ca kI to vAstava meM ve ukaraDe meM hI gayA huA thA! aMdara to kharAba vicAra hI cala rahe the, ve sUkSma karma aura bAhara sAmAyika kara rahe the, vaha sthUla krm| bhagavAna aisI pola (ghoTAlA, g2aphalata, aMdhera) nahIM calane dete| aMdara sAmAyika rahatA ho aura bAhara samAyika na bhI ho to usakA 'vahA~' para clegaa| ye bAhara ke dikhAve 'vahA~' caleM aise nahIM haiN| bhItara badalo bhAva isa taraha sthUlakarma yAnI tujhe ekadama gussA AyA, taba gussA nahIM lAnA phira bhI vaha A jAtA hai| aisA hotA hai yA nahIM hotA? praznakartA : hotA hai| dAdAzrI : vaha gussA AyA, usakA phala yahIM para turanta mila jAtA

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karma kA vijJAna 31 hai| loga kahate haiM ki 'jAne do na ise, yaha to hai hI bahuta krodhii|' are koI to use sAmane dhaula bhI mAra detA hai| yAnI apayaza yA aura kisI taraha se use yahIM para phala mila jAtA hai| yAnI gussA honA vaha sthUla karma hai, aura gussA AyA usake bhItara Aja kA terA bhAva kyA hai ki gussA karanA hI caahie| vaha AnevAle janma kA phira se gusse kA hisAba hai, aura terA Aja kA bhAva hai ki gussA nahIM karanA caahie| tere mana meM nizcita kiyA ho ki gussA nahIM hI karanA hai, phira bhI gussA ho jAtA hai, to tujhe agale janma ke lie baMdhana nahIM rhaa| isa sthUlakarma meM tujhe gussA AyA, to usakI tujhe isa janma meM mAra khAnI pdd'egii| phira bhI tujhe baMdhana nahIM hogaa| kyoMki sUkSmakarma meM terA nizcaya hai ki gussA karanA hI nahIM cAhie aura koI vyakti kisIke Upara gussA nahIM hotA, phira bhI mana meM kahe ki ina logoM ke Upara gussA kareM to hI ye sIdhe hoMge, aise haiN| to usase vaha agale janma meM gussevAlA ho jAtA hai| yAnI bAhara jo gussA hotA hai, vaha sthUla karma hai, aura usa samaya bhItara jo bhAva hotA hai, vaha sUkSmakarma hai| sthUla karma se bilkula baMdhana nahIM hai, yadi ise samajheM to! isalie yaha sAinsa maiMne naI taraha se rakhA hai| abhI taka, sthUla karma se baMdhana hai, aisI mAnyatA duniyA meM dRr3ha kara dI hai aura isIlie loga Darate rahate haiN| isa jJAna se saMsAra sahita mokSa / ___ aba ghara meM strI ho, zAdI kI ho aura mokSa meM jAnA hai, to mana meM hotA rahatA hai ki maiMne to zAdI kI hai, to aba kisa taraha mokSa meM jA sakU~gA? are, strI bAdhaka nahIM hai, tere sUkSma karma bAdhaka haiN| ye tere sthUla karma kucha bAdhaka nahIM haiN| vaha maiMne opana kiyA hai aura yaha sAinsa opana nahIM karU~ to bhItara ghabarAhaTa-ghabarAhaTa aura ghabarAhaTa rahatI hai| bhItara ajaMpA, ajaMpA, ajaMpA (becainI, azAMti, ghabarAhaTa) rahatA hai| ve sAdhu kahate haiM ki hama mokSa meM jaaeNge| are, Apa kisa taraha mokSa meM jAoge? kyA chor3anA hai, vaha to Apa jAnate nhiiN| Apane to sthUla ko chor3A hai, A~khoM se dikhe, kAna se sunAI de, vaha chor3A hai| usakA phala to isa janma meM

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32 karma kA vijJAna hI mila jaaegaa| yaha sAinsa naye hI prakAra kA hai| yaha to akrama vijJAna hai| jisase ina logoM ko hara prakAra se phesIliTI (sahUliyata) ho gaI hai, bIvI ko chor3akara thor3e hI bhAga sakate haiM? are bIvI ko chor3akara bhAga jAe~ aura apanA mokSa ho, aisA ho sakatA hai kyA? kisIko duHkha dekara apanA mokSa ho, aisA saMbhava hai kyA? ___ isalie bIvI-baccoM ke prati sabhI pharja nibhAnA aura patnI jo bhI 'bhojana' de vaha caina se khAo, vaha saba sthUla hai| yaha samajha jaanaa| sthUla ke pIche ApakA abhiprAya aisA nahIM rahanA cAhie ki jisase sUkSma meM cArja ho| isalie maiMne pA~ca vAkya Apako AjJA ke rUpa meM die haiN| bhItara aisA abhiprAya nahIM rahanA cAhie ki yaha karekTa hai, maiM jo karatA hU~, jo bhogatA hU~, vaha karekTa hai| aisA abhiprAya nahIM honA caahie| basa itanA hI ApakA abhiprAya badalA ki sabakucha badala gyaa| isa taraha mor3o baccoM ko bacce meM kharAba guNa hoM to mA~-bApa unheM DA~Tate haiM aura kahate phirate haiM ki, 'merA beTA to aisA hai, nAlAyaka hai, cora hai|' are, vaha aisA karatA hai, usa kare hue ko rakha na eka trph| para abhI usake bhAva badala na! usake bhItara ke abhiprAya badala na! usake bhAva kaise badalane, vaha mA~bApa ko AtA nahIM hai| kyoMki sarTiphAiDa mA~-bApa nahIM haiM, aura mA~-bApa bana baiThe haiM! bacce ko corI kI burI Adata par3a gaI ho to mA~-bApa use DA~Tate rahate haiM, mArate rahate haiN| isa taraha mA~-bApa eksesa (z2arUrata se z2yAdA) bolate haiM hamezA, eksesa bolA huA helpa nahIM krtaa| isalie beTA kyA karatA hai? mana meM pakkA karatA hai ki, 'bhale hI bolate rheN| maiM to aisA karU~gA hii|' yAnI isa beTe ko mA~-bApa aura adhika cora banAte haiN| dvApara aura tretA aura satyuga meM jo hathiyAra the, unakA Aja kaliyuga meM loga upayoga karane lage haiN| beTe ko badalane kA tarIkA alaga hai| usake bhAva badalane haiN| usa para prema se hAtha pherakara pyAra se kahanA ki, 'A beTe, bhale hI terI mA~ cillAe, vaha cillAe, para tUne isa taraha kisIkI corI kI, vaise koI terI jeba meM se corI kare to tujhe sukha lagegA? usa samaya

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karma kA vijJAna 33 tujhe aMdara kaisA duHkha hogA? vaise hI sAmanevAle ko bhI duHkha nahIM hogA? isa taraha pUrI thiyarI beTe ko samajhAnI pdd'egii| eka bAra usake aMdara baiTha jAnA cAhie ki yaha galata hai / Apa use mArate rahate ho, usase to bacce DhITha hote jAte haiN| sirpha tarIkA hI badalanA hai| pUrI duniyA ne sthUla karma ko hI samajhA hai, sUkSma karma ko samajhA hI nahIM hai| sUkSma ko samajhA hotA to yaha dazA nahIM hotii| cArja aura DiscArja karma praznakartA : sthUlakarma aura sUkSmakarma ke karttA alaga-alaga haiM? dAdAzrI : donoM ke karttA alaga haiN| ye jo sthUlakarma haiM, ve DiscArja karma haiN| ye beTariyA~ hotI haiM na, ve cArja karane ke bAda DiscArja hotI rahatI haiM na? hameM DiscArja nahIM karanI ho, phira bhI ve hotI hI rahatI haiM na? praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : vaise hI ye sthUlakarma, ve DiscArja karma haiM / aura dUsare bhItara naye cArja ho rahe haiM, ve sUkSma karma haiM / isa janma meM jo cArja ho rahe haiM, ve agale janma meM DiscArja hote raheMge / aura isa janma meM pichale janma kI beTariyA~ DiscArja hotI rahatI haiM, eka mana kI beTarI, eka vANI kI beTarI aura eka deha kI beTarI - ye tInoM beTariyA~ vartamAna meM DiscArja hotI hI rahatI haiM, aura bhItara naI tIna beTariyA~ cArja ho rahI haiM / yaha bolatA hU~, to tujhe aisA lagatA hogA ki 'maiM' hI bola rahA huuN| para nahIM, yaha to rikaoNrDa bola rahA hai| yaha to vANI kI beTarI DiscArja ho rahI hai / maiM bolatA hI nahIM hU~ aura ye sAre jagat ke loga kyA kahate haiM ki 'maiMne kaisI bAta kI, maiMne kaisA bolA!' ve sabhI kalpita bhAva haiM, igoiz2ama hai / sirpha vaha igoiz2ama (ahaMkAra) calA jAe to phira dUsarA kucha rahA? yaha igoiz2ama, yahI ajJAnatA hai aura yahI bhagavAna kI mAyA hai| kyoMki karatA hai koI aura, aura khuda ko aisA eDajasTamenTa ho jAtA hai ki 'maiM hI kara rahA huuN|' ye sUkSmakarma jo aMdara cArja hote haiM, ve phira kampyUTara meM jAte haiM

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34 karma kA vijJAna eka vyaSTi kampyUTara hai aura dUsarA samaSTi kampyUTara hai| vyaSTi meM pahale sUkSmakarma jAte haiM aura vahA~ se phira samaSTi kampyUTara meM jAte haiM / phira samaSTi kArya karatA rahatA hai| 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~', aise riyalI spikiMga bolanA usIse karma ba~dhate haiN| 'maiM kauna hU~', itanA hI yadi samajha gayA to taba se hI sAre karmoM se chUTa gyaa| arthAt yaha vijJAna sarala aura sIdhA rakhA hai, nahIM to karor3oM upAyoM se bhI ebsolyUTa huA jA sake, vaisA nahIM hai aura yaha to bilkula ebsolyUTa thiyarama hai| karma - karmaphala - karmaphala pariNAma praznakartA : pichale janma ke jo cArja ho cuke karma haiM, ve DiscArja rUpa meM isa janma meM Ate haiN| to isa janma ke jo karma haiM, ve isI janma meM DiscArja ke rUpa meM Ate haiM yA nahIM? dAdAzrI : nahIM / praznakartA : to kaba Ae~ge? dAdAzrI : pichale janma ke kaoNz2ez2a haiM na, ve isa janma ke iphekTa haiN| isa janma ke kaoNz2ez2a agale janma ke iphekTa haiM / praznakartA : lekina kucha karma aise hote haiM ki yahA~ para hI bhugatane par3ate haiM na, Apane aisA kahA hai, eka bAra / dAdAzrI : vaha to isa jagat ke logoM ko aisA lagatA hai / jagat ke logoM ko kyA lagatA hai? haM... dekha, hoTala meM bahuta khAtA thA aura usase maror3a ho ge|'hottl meM khAtA thA, vaha karma bA~dhA, usase ye maror3a ho gae' kheNge| jaba ki jJAnI kyA kahate haiM, vaha hoTala meM kisalie khAtA thA? aisA kisane sikhAyA use, hoTala meM khAnA ? kisa taraha huA ? saMyoga khar3e ho ge| pahale jo yojanA kI huI thI, vaha yojanA pariNAma meM AI, isalie vaha hoTala meM gyaa| ve jAne ke saMyoga sAre mila Ate haiN| isalie aba chUTanA ho to chUTA nahIM jA sktaa| usake mana meM aisA hotA hai ki are aisA kyoM hotA hogA ?

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karma kA vijJAna taba yahA~ ke bhrAMtivAle ko aisA lagatA hai ki yaha kAma kiyA isalie aisA huaa| bhrAMtivAle aisA samajhate haiM ki yahA~ karma bA~dhate haiM aura yahIM bhogate haiN| aisA samajhate haiN| parantu yaha khojabIna nahIM karate ki khuda ko nahIM jAnA ho, phira bhI kisa taraha jAtA hai? use nahIM jAnA hai phira bhI kisa prakAra, kisa niyama se vaha jAtA hai, vaha hisAba hai| taba hama aura adhika sikhAte haiM ki ina baccoM ko mAranA mata binA bAta ke, lekina phira se aisA bhAva nahIM kare, vaisA kro| phira se yojanA nahIM kare, vaisA kro| corI kharAba hai, hoTala meM khAnA kharAba hai.... aisA use jJAna utpanna ho, aisA karo, tAki phira se agale janma meM aisA nahIM ho| yaha to mArate rahate haiM aura beTe se kaheMge, 'dekha! nahIM jAnA hai tujhe', to usakA mana ulTA calatA hai, 'bhale hI ye kaheM, hama to jAe~ge, bs|' balki haTha pakar3atA hai aura usase hI ye karma ulTe hote haiM na! mA~-bApa ulTA karavAte haiN| praznakartA : pahale jo bhAva kie the, isalie hoTala meM gayA, aba hoTala meM gayA, phira vahA~ para khAyA aura phira maror3a ho gae, yaha saba DiscArja hai? dAdAzrI : vaha hoTala meM gayA, vaha DiscArja hai aura ve maror3a ho gae, vaha bhI DiscArja hai| DiscArja khuda ke basa meM nahIM rahate, kaMTrola nahIM rahatA, AuTa oNpha kaMTrola ho jAte haiN| aba ekz2ekTa karma kI thiyarI kise kahate haiM, aisA yadi samajhe, to vaha manuSya puruSArtha dharma ko samajha skegaa| isa jagat ke loga jise karma kahate haiM, use karma kI thyorI karmaphala kahatI hai| hoTala meM khAne kA bhAva hotA hai, pUrvajanma meM karma bA~dhA thA, usake AdhAra para khAtA hai| vahA~ yaha karma kahalAtA hai| usa karma ke AdhAra para isa janma meM vaha bAra-bAra hoTala meM khAtA rahatA hai| vaha karmaphala AyA kahalAtA hai, aura ye maror3a hue, use jagat ke loga karmaphala AyA aisA mAnate haiM, jaba ki karma kI thyorI kyA kahatI hai, ye maror3a hue, vaha karmaphala kA pariNAma aayaa|

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karma kA vijJAna vedAMta kI bhASA meM, hoTala meM khAne ke lie AkarSita hotA hai vaha pUrva meM bA~dhe hue saMcita karma ke AdhAra para hai, abhI bhItara bilkula nA hai phira bhI hoTala meM jAkara khA AtA hai, vaha prArabdha karma aura usakA phira vApisa isa janma meM hI pariNAma AtA hai aura maror3a ho jAte haiM vaha kriyamANa krm| hoTala meM khAtA hai taba maz2A Ae, usa samaya bhI bIja DAlatA hai aura maror3a hote haiM, taba bhogate samaya bhI phira se bIja DAlatA hai| isa taraha karmaphala ke samaya aura karmaphala pariNAma ke samaya do bIja DAlatA saMcita, prArabdha aura kriyamANa karma praznakartA : vaha saba pUrvajanma ke saMcitakarma para AdhArita hai? dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, saMcita karma vagairaha sAre zabda samajhane kI z2arUrata hai| yAnI saMcitakarma, kaoNz2ez2a haiM aura prArabdha karma ina saMcita karmoM kA iphekTa hai aura iphekTa kA phala turanta hI mila jAtA hai, vaha kriyamANa krm| saMcita karma kA phala pacAsa-sATha-sau varSa ke bAda usakA kAla paripakva ho taba milatA hai| saMcita karma kA yaha phala hai| saMcitakarma phala dete samaya saMcita nahIM khlaataa| phala dete samaya prArabdhakarma kahalAtA hai| vahI ke vahI saMcita karma jaba phala dene ke lie taiyAra hote haiM, taba ve prArabdha karma kahalAte haiN| saMcita arthAt peTI (saMdUka) meM rakhI huI gaDDiyA~ / ve gaDDiyA~ yadi thor3A bAhara nikAleM, vaha praarbdh| yAnI prArabdha kA artha kyA hai ki jo phala dene ko sammukha huA vaha praarbdh| aura phala dene ke lie sammukha nahIM huA, abhI to kitane hI kAla ke bAda phala degA, taba taka ve saMcita haiM saare| saMcita par3e rahate haiM saare| dhIre-dhIre, jaise-jaise hala AtA jAtA hai, vaisevaise phala dete haiN| aura kriyamANa to A~khoM se dikhate haiN| pA~ca indriyoM se anubhava meM

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karma kA vijJAna 37 Ate haiM, ve kriyamANa karma / isa taraha ye karma tIna prakAra se pahacAne jAte haiN| loga kahate haiM dekho na, isane do dhaula mAra dI / dhaula mAranevAle ko dekhate haiM, dhaula khAnevAle ko dekhate haiM, vaha kriyamANa karma hai / aba kriyamANa karma arthAt kyA? phala dene ke lie jo sammukha huA, vaha yaha phl| use phala aisA AyA ki do dhaula de diiN| aura mAra khAnevAle ko phala aisA AyA, usane do dhaula khA liiN| aba usa kriyamANa kA vApisa phala AtA hai / to jo dhaula mArI thI, usase phira mana meM badale kI bhAvanA rakhatA hai ki merI pakar3a meM Ae, usa ghar3I dekha luuNgaa| isalie phira vApisa vaha usakA badalA letA hai / aura phira vApisa naye bIja Dalate hI jAte haiM / naye bIja to DAlatA hI jAtA hai bhItara / bAqI sirpha saMcita to aise hI par3A huA, sToka meM rakhA huA mAla / puruSArtha vaha vastu alaga hai| kriyamANa to prArabdha kA rijalTa hai, prArabdha kA phala hai| praznakartA : isa puruSArtha ko Apa karmayoga kahate haiM? dAdAzrI : karmayoga samajhanA caahie| karmayoga bhagavAna ne jo likhA hai aura loga jise karmayoga kahate haiM, una donoM meM AkAza-pAtAla jitanA pharka hai| puruSArtha arthAt karmayoga hai, lekina karmayoga kaisA? oNna pepr| yojanA, vaha karmayoga kahalAtA hai / vaha karmayoga jo huA, vaha phira hisAba ba~dhA, usakA phala saMcita kahalAtA hai aura saMcita bhI jo hai vaha yojanA meM hI hai, parantu jaba phala dene ko sammukha hotA hai taba prArabdha kahalAtA hai, aura prArabdha phala de taba kriyamANa khar3A hotA hai / puNya ho taba kriyamANa acche hote haiM, pApa Ae~ taba kriyamANa ulTe hote haiN| anajAne meM kie hue karmoM kA phala milatA hai kyA ? praznakartA : jAna-bUjhakara kie hue gunAhoM kA doSa kitanA lagatA hai? aura anajAne meM kI huI bhUloM kA doSa kitanA lagatA hogA? anajAne meM kI huI bhUloM ke lie mAfI milatI hogI na ?

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karma kA vijJAna dAdAzrI : koI kucha aise pAgala nahIM haiM ki yoM hI mAfa kara de| Apase anajAne meM koI vyakti mara gayA / koI kucha bekAra nahIM baiThA ki mAfa karane aae| aba anajAne meM a~gAroM meM hAtha par3e to kyA hogA ? praznakartA : jala jAe~ge / 38 T dAdAzrI : turanta phala ! anajAne meM karo yA jAna- -bUjhakara karo praznakartA : anajAne meM kI gaI bhUloM ko isa taraha bhugatanA par3atA hai, to jAnane ke bAda kitanA bhugatanA par3egA ? dAdAzrI : hA~, isalie vahI maiM Apako samajhAtA hU~ ki anajAne meM kie gae karma kisa taraha bhugatate haiM? taba kahe, eka AdamI ne bahuta puNyakarma kie hoM, rAjA banane ke puNyakarma kie hoM, para anajAne meM kie hoM, samajhakara nhiiN| logoM ko dekha-dekhakara vaise karma khuda ne bhI kie| vaha phira samajhe binA rAjA banatA hai, usa taraha ke karma bA~dhatA hai| aba vaha pA~ca varSa kI umra meM rAjagaddI para AtA hai, phAdara oNpha ho gae isalie / aura gyAraha varSa kI umra taka, yAnI use chaha varSa taka rAjya karanA thA, isalie gyArahaveM varSa meM gaddI para se utara gayA / aba dUsare vyakti ko jo 28 varSa meM rAjA banA aura 34 meM varSa meM rAjya chUTa gayA / unameM se kisane adhika sukha bhogA? chaha varSa donoM ko rAjya milaa| praznakartA : jo 28veM varSa meM AyA aura 34veM varSa meM gayA usne| dAdAzrI : usane jAnate hue puNya bA~dhA thA, isalie yaha jAnate hue bhogaa| aura usa bacce ne anajAne meM puNya kiyA thA, vaha anajAne meM bhogA / isa taraha anajAne meM pApa bA~dho to anajAne meM bhugata liyA jAtA hai aura anajAne meM puNya karo to anajAne meM bhugata liyA jAtA hai| maz2A nahIM AtA / samajha meM AtA hai na? anajAne meM kie hue pApa ke bAre meM maiM Apako smjhaauuN| isa tarapha do tilaciTTe jA rahe the, bar3e-bar3e tilacaTTe aura isa tarapha do mitra jA rahe the| taba eka mitra kA paira tilacaTTe para par3A, aura vaha kucalA

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karma kA vijJAna 39 gayA aura dUsare mitra ne tilaciTTA dekhA aura use masalakara mAra diyA / donoM ne kyA kAma kiyA? praznakartA : tilacaTTe ko mArA / dAdAzrI : donoM khUnI mAne jAe~ge, kudarata ke vahA~ / una tilaciTToM ke parivAravAloM ne zikAyata kI ki hama donoM ke pati ko ina lar3akoM ne mAra diyA hai| donoM kA gunAha eka-sA hai| donoM gunahagAra, khUnI kI taraha hI pakar3e ge| khUna karane kA tarIkA alaga-alaga hai, para aba usakA phala dete samaya donoM ko kyA phala milatA hai? taba kaheM, donoM ko do dhaula aura cAra gAliyA~, aisI sajA huii| aba vaha jisane yaha saba anajAne meM kiyA thA, vaha vyakti dUsare janma meM maz2adUra banatA hai, to use kisIne do dhaula mAra dIM aura cAra gAliyA~ de dIM to thor3I hI dUra jAkara ve usane jhAr3a dIM aura dUsarA, agale janma meM gA~va kA mukhiyA thA, bahuta bar3A, acche se acchA aadmii| use kisIne do dhaula mArIM aura cAra gAliyA~ dIM, to kitane hI dinoM taka vaha soyA nahIM / kitane dina bhogA ! isane to jAnabUjhakara mArA thA, maz2adUra ne anajAne meM kiyA thA / isIlie soca-samajhakara karanA yaha sb| jo karoge na, vaha z2immedArI khuda kI hI hai| yU Ara hola enDa sola risponsibala / gaoNDa iz2a noTa risponsibala eTa oNl| (Apa hI saMpUrNa jimmedAra ho, bhagavAna bilkula bhI jimmedAra nahIM haiM / ) prArabdha bhugatane para hI chuTakArA praznakartA : mukhya to apane hI karma bAdhaka hai? dAdAzrI : aura kauna taba ! aura koI karatA nahIM hai| bAharavAlA koI karatA nahIM hai| Apake hI karma parezAna karate haiM Apako / samajhadAra vAipha lAe aura phira pAgala ho jAtI hai / to vaha kisIne kara dI ? pati kehI karma ke udaya se pAgala ho jAtI hai / isalie hameM mana meM yaha samajha jAnA cAhie ki merI hI galatI haiM, mere hI hisAba haiM, aura mujhe cukA dene haiM hara kisiiko| A pha~se bhAI, A pha~se haiM / khuda ko bhugate binA chuTakArA nahIM hai| prArabdha hameM bhI bhugatanA par3atA

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40 karma kA vijJAna hai, sabhI ko, mahAvIra prabhu bhI bhugatate the| bhagavAna mahAvIra ko to devaloga parezAna karate the, ve bhI bhugatate the| bar3e-bar3e devaloga khaTamala DAlate the| praznakartA : vaha unheM prArabdha bhugatanA par3A na? dAdAzrI : koI cArA hI nahIM na! ve khuda samajhate the ki ye devaloga kara rahe haiM, phira bhI prArabdha merA hai| kauna-se karma se deha ko duHkha? praznakartA : kauna-se karmoM ke AdhAra para zarIra ke roga hote haiM? dAdAzrI : lUlA-la~gar3A ho jAtA hai na! hA~, vaha saba kyA huA hai? vaha kisakA phala hai? vaha hama kAna kA durupayoga kareM to kAna kA nukasAna ho jAtA hai| A~khoM kA durupayoga kareM to A~kheM calI jAtI hai, nAka kA durupayoga kareM to nAka calI jAtI hai, jIbha kA durupayoga kareM to jIbha kharAba ho jAtI hai, dimAg2a kA durupayoga kareM to dimAg2a kharAba ho jAtA hai, paira kA durupayoga kareM to paira TUTa jAtA hai, hAtha kA durupayoga kareM to hAtha TUTa jAtA hai| yAnI jisakA durupayoga kareM, vaisA phala bhugatanA par3atA hai, yahA~ pr| nirdoSa baccoM ko bhugatanA kyoM? praznakartA : kaIbAra aisA dekhane meM AyA hai ki choTe bacce janma lete haiM, taba se hI apaMga aura aise hote haiN| apaMga hote haiN| kucha choTe bacce kutubamInAra aura himAlaya-darzana kI durghaTanA meM mara jAte haiN| to ina choTechoTe baccoM ne kyA pApa kiyA hogA, ki unheM aisA hotA hai? dAdAzrI : pApa kiyA huA hI thA, usakA hisAba cuka gyaa| isalie Der3ha varSa kA huA, mA~-bApa ke sAtha kA sArA hisAba pUrA huA, isalie calA gyaa| hisAba cukA denA caahie| yaha hisAba cukAne ke lie Ate haiN| praznakartA : mA~-bApa ke kie hue duSkRtya kA phala dene ke lie

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karma kA vijJAna vaha bAlaka AyA thA? dAdAzrI : mA~-bApa ke sAtha kA jo hisAba niyojita hai, jitanA duHkha denI ho to duHkha dekara jAtA hai aura sukha denA ho to sukha dekara jAtA hai aura eka-do varSa kA hokara mara jAtA hai, to thor3A hI duHkha dekara jAtA hai aura eka bAIsa varSa kA zAdI ke bAda mara jAtA hai to adhika duHkha detA hai| aisA hotA hai yA nahIM hotA hai? praznakartA : aisA to hotA hai, ThIka hai| dAdAzrI : yAnI ye du:kha dene ke lie hote haiM aura kucha haiM ve baDI umra ke hokara sukha dete haiN| TheTha taka, pUrI z2indagI sukha dete haiN| ye sukha aura duHkha dene ke lie hI Amane-sAmane sAre saMbaMdha haiN| ye rileTiva saMbaMdha ha Aja ke kukarmoM kA phala isI janma meM? praznakartA : yaha jo karma kA phala AtA hai, to mAno ki udAharaNa ke taura para hamane kisIke vivAha hone meM rukAvaTa DAlI, to phira vApisa vaisA hI phala hameM agale janma meM milegA? apane vivAha hone meM kyA vahI manuSya rukAvaTa DAlegA? isa taraha se hotA hai kyA, karma kA phala? usI prakAra se aura usI DigrI kA? dAdAzrI : nahIM, isI janma meM milatA hai, vivAha hone meM darAra DAlo, vaha to pratyakSa jaisA hI kahalAtA hai aura pratyakSa kA phala yahIM para mila jAtA hai| praznakartA : hamane kisIke vivAha hone meM rukAvaTa DAlI, usase pahale hamane vivAha kara liyA ho, to kahA~ se milegA? dAdAzrI : nahIM, yaha usI taraha kA hI phala mile, aisA nahIM hai| Apane usakA jo mana dukhAyA, vaisA ApakA mana dukhane kA rAstA milegaa| ye to kisIko beTiyA~ nahIM hoM, vaha kisa taraha phala pAegA? dUsare logoM kI lar3akiyoM ke vivAha hone meM bAdhA DAle aura khuda kI lar3akiyA~ hotI

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42 karma kA vijJAna nahIM aura isa janma meM hI karma kA phala mila jAtA hai / isa janma meM hI phala mile bagaira rahatA nahIM hai / aisA hai na, parokSa karma kA phala agale janma meM milatA hai aura pratyakSa kA phala isa janma meM milatA hai| praznakartA : parokSa zabda kA artha kyA hai? dAdAzrI : jisakA hameM patA nahIM calatA vaha karma / praznakartA : kisI vyakti kA dasa lAkha rupaye kA nukasAna karane kA bhAva maiMne kiyA ho to phira mujhe vApisa vaisA hI nukasAna milegA? dAdAzrI : nahIM, nukasAna nahIM / vaha to dUsare rUpa meM, Apako utanA hI duHkha hogaa| jitanA duHkha use Apane diyA utanA hI duHkha Apako hogA / phira beTA paise kharca kara de aura duHkhI kre| yA aura kisI bhI taraha se, parantu utanA hI duHkha hogA Apako | vaha sArA yaha hisAba nahIM hai, bAhara kA hisAba nahIM hai| isalie yahA~ ye saba bhikhArI bolate haiM na, rAste meM eka AdamI bola rahA thA, 'yaha jo hama bhIkha mA~ga rahe haiM, vaha hamane diyA hai, vahI Apa hameM vApisa dete ho' khulA bolatA hai vaha to / 'Apa dete ho, vaha hamane diyA huA hai vahI dete ho aura nahIM to hama Apako deMge' kahatA hai| donoM meM se eka to hogA ! nahIM, aisA nahIM hai / Apane kisIke dila ko ThaMDaka pahu~cAI to Apake dila ko ThaMDaka phuNcegii| Apane usakA dila duHkhAyA to ApakA duHkhegA, basa / ye sabhI karma aMta meM rAga-dveSa meM jAte haiN| rAga-dveSa kA phala milatA hai / rAga kA phala sukha aura dveSa kA phala duHkha milegaa| praznakartA : yaha jo Apane kahA na ki rAga kA phala sukha aura dveSa kA phala duHkha to yaha parokSa phala kI bAta hai yA pratyakSa phala kI ? dAdAzrI : pratyakSa hI hai sirpha / aisA hai na, rAga se puNya ba~dhatA hai aura puNya se lakSmI milii| aba lakSmI milI parantu kharca hote samaya vApisa duHkha dekara jAtI hai, isalie ye sabhI sukha jo Apa lete ho, ve lona para lie hue sukha haiM / isalie yadi phira pemenTa karanA ho to hI lenA yaha sukh| hA~, to hI sukha cakhanA, nahIM to cakhanA mt| aba ApameM cukAne

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karma kA vijJAna 43 kI zakti nahIM hai, aba vApisa pemenTa karane kI, to vaha cakhanA baMda kara do| bAqI, ye lonavAle sukha haiM saare| kisI bhI prakAra kA sukha vaha lona para liyA huA hai| puNya kA phala sukha, parantu sukha bhI lonavAlA aura pApa kA phala duHkha, duHkha bhI lonvaalaa| arthAt yaha sArA lonavAlA hai| isalie saudA nahIM karanA ho to mata krnaa| isalie puNya aura pApa heya (tyAjya) mAne gae haiN| praznakartA : yaha pahale diyA haA ho aura abhI vApisa lete haiM. isalie hisAba cuka gyaa| yAnI use to lona para liyA huA nahIM kahA jAegA na? dAdAzrI : abhI jo sukha cakhate ho ve sAre vApisa Ae hue nahIM haiM, parantu yadi ye sabhI cakhate ho, to pemenTa karanA pdd'egaa| aba pemenTa kisa taraha karanA par3egA? acchA Ama khAyA, to usa dina khuza ho gayA aura sukha utpanna huA hmeN| AnaMda meM dina guj'raa| parantu dUsarI bAra Ama kharAba AegA, to utanA hI duHkha aaegaa| parantu yadi isameM sukha nahIM lo, to vaha du:kha nahIM aaegaa| praznakartA : usameM mUrchA nahIM ho to? dAdAzrI : to phira Ama khAne meM harja nahIM hai| sAdho sAsa ke sAtha sumela praznakartA : sAsa ke sAtha merA bahuta TakarAva hotA hai, usase kisa taraha chUDhU~? dAdAzrI : eka-eka karma se mukti honI caahie| sAsa parezAna kare taba hara eka bAra karma se mukti milanI caahie| to usake lie hameM kyA karanA cAhie? sAsa ko nirdoSa dekhanA cAhie, ki sAsa kA to kyA doSa? mere karma kA udaya hai, isalie ve mile haiN| ve to becAre nimitta haiN| to usa karma se mukti huI aura yadi sAsa kA doSa dekhA to karma bar3he, phira

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44 karma kA vijJAna usakA to koI kyA kare? sAmanevAle ke doSa dikheM, to karma ba~dhate haiM aura khuda ke doSa dikheM to karma chUTate haiN| apanA karma ba~dhe nahIM usa taraha hameM rahanA cAhie, isa duniyA se dUra rahanA caahie| ye karma bA~dhe the, isalie to ye mile haiN| ye apane ghara meM kauna ikaTThe hue haiM? karma ke hisAba ba~dhe hue haiM, ve hI saba ikaTThe hue haiM aura phira hameM bA~dhakara mArate bhI haiM! hamane nizcita kiyA ho ki mujhe isake sAtha bolanA nahIM hai, phira bhI sAmanevAlA mu~ha meM u~galiyA~ DAlakara bulavAtA rahatA hai| are, u~galI DAlakara kisalie bulavAtA hai? usakA nAma baira! sAre pUrva ke baira! kisI jagaha para dekhA hai aisA? praznakartA : saba ora vahI dikhatA hai na! dAdAzrI : isIlie maiM kahatA hU~ na, ki vahA~ se haTa jAo aura mere pAsa A jaao| yaha jo maiMne pAyA hai vaha Apako de dU~, ApakA kAma ho jAegA aura chuTakArA ho jaaegaa| bAqI, chuTakArA hogA nhiiN| hama kisIke doSa nahIM nikAlate, parantu dhyAna meM rakhate haiM ki dekho yaha duniyA kyA hai? sabhI taraha se isa duniyA ko maiMne dekhA hai| bahuta taraha se dekhA hai| koI doSita dikhatA hai, vaha abhI taka apanI bhUla hai| kabhI na kabhI nirdoSa to dekhanA hI par3egA na? apane hisAba ke kAraNa hI hai yaha sb| itanA thor3A-sA samajha jAo na, to bhI bahuta kAma aaegaa| jahA~ apanA pragAr3ha ho vahA~, hamAre pragAr3ha karmoM kA udaya AtA hai aura vaha apanI cipakana chur3avAne Ate haiN| sArA apanA hI hisAba hai| kisIne gAlI dI to vaha kyA avyavahAra hai? vyavahAra hai| 'jJAnI' to koI gAliyA~ de to khuda khuza hote haiM ki baMdhana se mukta hue| jaba ki ajJAnI dhakke mAratA hai aura nayA karma bA~dhatA hai| sAmanevAlA gAliyA~ detA hai, vaha to apane hI karmoM kA udaya hai| sAmanevAlA to nimitta mAtra hai, vaisI jAgRti rahe to nayA karma nahIM bNdhtaa| hara eka karma usakI nirjarA kA nimitta lekara AyA huA hotA hai| kisa-kisake nimitta se nirjarA hogI, vaha nizcita hotA hai| udayakarma meM rAga-dveSa nahIM kareM, usakA nAma dhrm|

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karma kA vijJAna khuda ne hI DAle aMtarAya? praznakartA : hama satsaMga meM Ate haiM, taba vahA~ koI vyakti avarodha karatA hai| vaha avarodha apane karma ke kAraNa hai? dAdAzrI : haaN| ApakI bhUla nahIM ho to koI ApakA nAma nahIM legaa| ApakI bhUloM kA hI pariNAma hai| khuda ke hI bA~dhe hue aMtarAya karma haiN| kie hue karmoM ke sAre hisAba bhugatane haiN| praznakartA : vaha bhUla hamane pichale janma meM kI thI? dAdAzrI : hA~, pichale janma meN| praznakartA : vartamAna meM merA vartana unake prati acchA hai, phira bhI ve bolate haiM, kharAba vyavahAra karate haiM, vaha pichale janma kA hai? dAdAzrI : pichale janma ke karma yAnI kyA? yojanA ke rUpa meM kie hue hote haiN| yAnI mana ke vicAra se karma kie hote haiM, ve abhI rUpaka meM Ate haiM aura hameM vaha kArya karanA par3atA hai| nahIM karanA ho to bhI karanA hI par3atA hai| hamAre pAsa koI cArA hI nahIM rhtaa| vaise kArya karate haiN| vaha pichalI yojanA ke AdhAra para karate haiM aura phira usakA phala vApisa bhugatanA par3atA hai| pati-patnI ke TakarAva khaTamala kATate haiM, ve to becAre bahuta acche haiM, parantu yaha pati patnI ko kATatA hai, patnI pati ko kATatI hai, vaha bahuta pIr3AkArI hotA hai| kATate haiM yA nahIM kATate? praznakartA : kATate haiN| dAdAzrI : to vaha kATanA baMda karanA hai| khaTamala kATate haiM, ve to kATakara cale jAte haiN| becArA vaha bhItara tRpta huA ki calA jAtA hai| para patnI to hamezA kATatI rahatI hai| eka vyakti to mujhe kahatA hai, 'merI vAipha mujhe sA~pina kI taraha kATatI hai|' taba phira mue, zAdI kisalie kI thI

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46 karma kA vijJAna usa sA~pina ke sAtha! to vaha khuda sA~pa nahIM hai muA? aise hI sA~pina AtI hai koI? sA~pa ho tabhI sA~pina AtI hai na? praznakartA : usake karma meM likhA hogA isalie use bhugatanA hI par3A, isalie vaha kATatI hai, usameM patnI kI bhUla nahIM hai! dAdAzrI : basa / yAnI ki ye karma ke bhugatAna haiM saare| isalie aisI vAipha mila jAtI hai, aisA pati mila jAtA hai| sAsa aisI mila jAtI haiN| nahIM to isa duniyA meM kitanI acchI sAsa hotI hai| pati kaise acche hote haiM! kitanI acchI patniyA~ hotI haiM, aura hameM hI aise Ter3he kyoM mile? yaha to patnI ke sAtha jhagar3A karatA rahatA hai| are, tere karma kA doSa hai| arthAt hamAre loga nimitta ko kATane daur3ate haiN| patnI, vaha nimitta hai| nimitta ko kisalie kATate ho? nimitta ko kATane daur3atA hai, usameM bhalA hotA hai kabhI? ulTI gatiyoM meM jAtA hai phir| yaha to logoM kI kyA gati honevAlI hai vaha kahate nahIM hai isalaei Darate nhiiN| yadi kaha deM na ki cAra paira aura Upara se pU~cha milegI, to abhI sIdhe ho jaaeNge| praznakartA : usameM kisakA karma kharAba samajheM? donoM pati-patnI lar3ate-jhagar3ate hoM, usameM? dAdAzrI : donoM meM se jo ukatA jAe, uskaa| praznakartA : taba unameM se to koI UbatA hI nahIM, ve to lar3ate hI rahate haiN| dAdAzrI : to donoM kA eka saa| nAsamajhI se saba hotA hai| praznakartA : aura vaha samajha meM A jAe to duHkha hI nahIM hai na kucha! dAdAzrI : use samajheM to koI duHkha hI nahIM hai| yaha to aisA hai, eka lar3akA kaMkar3a mAratA hai to phira use mArane daur3atA hai aura gussA ho jAtA hai ekdm| gussA ho jAtA hai yA nahIM? aura pahAr3a para se kaMkar3a

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karma kA vijJAna sira para gire aura khUna nikale to ? kisa para gussA karegA? praznakartA : kisIke Upara nahIM / 47 dAdAzrI : usI taraha yaha hai / hamezA hI jo mAranevAlA hai na vaha nimitta hI hai, yaha to bhAna nahIM hai isalie gussA karatA hai! isa taraha use nimitta samajhe to duHkha hI nahIM hai ! sukha dekara sukha lo jaise hama babUla ugAe~ aura phira usameM se Ama kI AzA rakheM to nahIM calegA na? jaisA bote haiM, vaisA phala milatA hai / jaise-jaise karma kie haiM, vaisA phala hameM bhugatanA hai / abhI kisIko gAliyA~ dIM, usa dina se gAlI denevAlA isa tAka meM hI rahatA hai ki kaba mile aura vApisa de duuN| loga badalA lete haiM, isalie aise karma mata karanA ki loga duHkhI hoN| Apako yadi sukha cAhie to sukha do| I koI do gAliyA~ de jAe to kyA karanA cAhie? jamA kara lenA pahale dI haiM, ve vApisa de gayA hai aura yadi pasaMda hoM to dUsarI do-pA~ca gAliyA~ denA, aura nahIM pasaMda hoM to udhAra mata denA / nahIM to vaha vApisa degA taba sahana nahIM hogA / isalie jo-jo de, use jamA krnaa| isa duniyA meM anyAya nahIM hai / bilkula eka sekanDa bhI nyAya se bAhara nahIM gaI hai yaha duniyA / isalie Apa yadi ThIka DhaMga se rahoge to ApakA koI nAma lenevAlA nahIM hai / hA~, do gAliyA~ dene Ae, to le lo| lekara jamA kara lo aura kaha do ki yaha hisAba pUrA ho gayA / kleza, vaha nahIM hai udayakarma 'samajha liyA' to kise kahate haiM, ki ghara meM matabheda nahIM hoM, manabheda nahIM hoM, kleza-jhagar3e nahIM hoN| yaha to mahIne meM ekAdha dina kleza ho jAtA hai yA nahIM ho jAtA ghara meM? phira yaha jIvana kaise kahalAe ? isase to AdivAsI acchI taraha jIte haiM /

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karma kA vijJAna praznakartA : para udayakarma ke adhIna hogA, to kleza-kaMkAsa hogA hI? dAdAzrI : nahIM, kleza udayakarma ke adhIna nahIM hai, parantu ajJAna se khaDe hote haiN| kleza khar3e hote haiM aura usase naye karmabIja par3ate haiN| udayakarma klezavAlA nahIM hotaa| ajJAnatA ke kAraNa khuda yahA~ kisa taraha se rahe, vaha jAnatA nahIM hai, isalie kleza ho jAtA hai| abhI merA eka khAsa phrenDa ho, vaha oNpha ho gayA, vaisI khabara mujhe yahA~ lAkara do, yAnI turanta hI yaha kyA huA, jJAna se mujhe usakA pRththakaraNa ho jAtA hai, isalie mujhe phira kleza hone kA koI kAraNa hI nahIM hai na! yaha to ajJAna ulajhA detA hai ki merA dosta mara gayA, aura vahI saba kleza karavAtA hai! yAnI kleza matalaba ajnyaantaa| ajJAnatA se sAre kleza khar3e hote haiN| ajJAnatA jAe to kleza dUra ho jaae| ___ yaha saba kyA hai, vaha jAna lenA caahie| sAdhAraNa rUpa se apane ghara meM eka maTakI ho, use baccA phor3a DAle to koI kleza nahIM karatA aura kA~ca kA aisA bartana ho, vaha phor3a DAle to? pati kyA kahatA hai patnI ko? tU sa~bhAlatI nahIM hai isa bacce ko, to mue maTakI ke lie kyoM nahIM bolA? taba kahe, vaha to DI-velyu thii| usakI qImata hI nahIM thii| qImata nahIM ho to hama kleza nahIM karate, aura qImatavAle meM kleza karate haiM na! cIjeM to donoM hI udayakarma ke adhIna phUTatI haiM na! para dekho hama maTakI ke lie kleza nahIM karate! eka vyakti ke do haz2Ara rupaye kho jAe~, taba use mAnasika ciMtAupAdhi (bAhara se AnevAle duHkha) hotI hai| dUsare vyakti ke kho jAe~ to vaha kahegA, 'yaha karma kA udaya hogA to huA ab|' isalie aisI samajha ho to hala lAtA hai, nahIM to kleza ho jAtA hai| pUrvajanma ke karmoM meM kleza nahIM hotaa| kleza to abhI kI ajJAnatA kA phala hai| kucha logoM ke do haz2Ara cale jAe~ to bhI kucha asara nahIM hotA,

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karma kA vijJAna 42 aisA hotA hai yA nahIM hotA? koI duHkha udayakarma ke adhIna nahIM hotaa| sabhI duHkha apanI ajJAnatA se haiN| kucha loga, bImA nahIM karavAyA ho aura goDAuna jala jAe, usa ghar3I ve zAMta raha sakate haiM, aMdara bhI zAMti raha sakatI hai, bAhara aura aMdara donoM taraha se, aura kucha loga to aMdara duHkha aura bAhara bhI duHkha dikhAte haiN| vaha sArI ajJAnatA, nAsamajhI hai| vaha goDAuna to jalanevAlA hI thaa| isameM nayA hai hI nhiiN| phira tU sira phor3akara mara jAe, phira bhI usameM badalAva honevAlA nahIM hai| praznakartA : ye kisI bhI vastu ke pariNAma ko acchI taraha svIkAranA cAhie? dAdAzrI : hA~, poz2iTiva lenA, para vaha jJAna ho to poz2iTiva letA hai| nahIM to phira buddhi to negeTiva hI dekhatI hai| yaha pUrA jagat duHkhI hai| machalI chaTapaTAe usa taraha chaTapaTA rahe haiN| ise jIvana kaise kahA jAe phira? samajhane kI z2arUrata hai, jIvana jIne kI kalA jAnane kI z2arUrata hai| sabhI ke lie kahIM mokSa nahIM hai, jIvana jIne kI kalA, vaha to honI cAhie na . amaMgala patra, posTamena kA kyA gunAha? sArA duHkha nAsamajhI kA hI hai, isa jagat meM! khuda ne hI khar3A kiyA huA hai sArA, nahIM dikhane se! jale taba kahe na ki bhAI, Apa kyoM jala gae? taba kahatA hai, 'bhUla se jala gayA, kyA jAna-bUjhakara jalU~gA?' vaise hI ye sAre duHkha bhUla ke kAraNa haiN| sAre duHkha apanI bhUla kA pariNAma haiN| bhUla calI jAegI to ho cukaa| ___ praznakartA : pragAr3ha karma hote haiM, usIke kAraNa hameM duHkha bhugatanA par3atA hai? dAdAzrI : apane hI kie hue karma haiM, isalie apanI hI bhUla hai| kisI anya kA doSa isa jagat meM hai hI nhiiN| dUsare to nimitta mAtra haiN|

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50 karma kA vijJAna duHkha ApakA hai aura sAmanevAle nimitta ke hAthoM se diyA jA rahA hai| pitAjI mara gae aura ciTThI posTamena dekara jAtA hai, usameM posTamena kA kyA doSa? pUrvajanma ke RNAnubaMdhI praznakartA : apane jo riztedAra hote haiM, athavA to vAipha ho, bacce hoM, Aja apane jo riztedAra, RNAnubaMdhI haiM, unake sAtha apanA kucha pUrvajanma kA koI saMbaMdha hotA hai, isalie milate haiM? dAdAzrI : sahI hai| RNAnubaMdha ke binA to kucha bhI hotA hI nahIM na! saba hisAba haiN| yA to hamane unheM duHkha diyA hai yA unhoMne hameM duHkha diyA hai| upakAra kie hoMge, to usakA phala abhI mIThA AegA / duHkha diyA hogA, usakA kar3avA phala aaegaa| praznakartA : mAna lo ki abhI mujhe koI AdamI parezAna karatA hai aura mujhe duHkha hotA hai, to yaha jo duHkha mujhe hotA hai vaha to mere hI karma kA phala hai| para vahI vyakti mujhe parezAna karatA hai isalie usakA pichale janma meM mere sAtha kucha aisA hisAba ba~dhA hogA isalie vahI mujhe parezAna karatA hai, vaisA kucha hai kyA? dAdAzrI : hai na / sArA hisAba hai / jitanA hisAba hogA utane samaya taka duHkha degaa| do kA hisAba ho to do bAra degA, tIna kA hisAba ho to tIna bAra degaa| yaha mircI du:kha nahIM detI? praznakartA: detI hai / dAdAzrI : mu~ha meM jalana hotI hai, nahIM? aisA hai yaha sb| khuda parezAna nahIM karatA, pudgala karatA hai aura hama samajhate haiM ki yaha vaha kara rahA hai| vaha gunAha hai vApisa / pudgala duHkha detA hai| mircI du:kha detI hai, taba phira kahA~ DAla detA hai use? ! miracI kisI dina duHkha de usase hameM samajha jAnA hai ki bhAI isameM du:khI honevAle kA doSa hai| mircI to apane svabhAva meM hI hai|

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karma kA vijJAna praznakartA : hama bhI kisIko parezAna kareM aura use duHkha ho, to kyA kareM? dAdAzrI : hameM pratikramaNa karanA pdd'egaa| kapar3e to sApha rakhane par3eMge na! maile kaise kie jAe~ ve! uttama prakAra kA vartana, kisIko kiMcit mAtra bhI daHkha nahIM ho aisA honA caahie| to abhI duHkha hotA hai, usakA pratikramaNa kareM to aMtima dazA aaegii| koI kisIkA duHkha le sakatA hai? praznakartA : eka mahAna saMta do varSa pahale eka hospiTala meM bahuta pIDA bhugata rahe the| taba maiMne unase prazna pUchA thA ki Apako aisA kyoM ho rahA hai? to aisA kahA ki maiMne bahuta logoM ke duHkha le lie haiN| isalie yaha saba mujhe ho rahA hai| aisA koI kara sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : kisIkA duHkha koI le nahIM sktaa| ye to bahAne banAe, saMta ke rUpa meM pUjanIya bnkr| khuda ke hI kaoNz2ez2a ke ye pariNAma haiN| yaha to bahAne banAte haiM, khuda kI AbarU rahe, isake lie| bar3e duHkha lenevAle paidA hue! saMDAsa jAne kI zakti nahIM, ve kyA du:kha lenevAle the! koI kisIkA le hI kisa taraha sakatA hai? praznakartA : maiM bhI nahIM maantaa| duHkha liyA hI nahIM jA sktaa| dAdAzrI : nA, nA! ye to logoM ko mUrkha banAte haiN| koI le hI nahIM sktaa| yAnI ye saba to bahAne bnaaeNge| phira pUje jAte haiM ! maiM to mu~ha para kaha dU~ ki Apake duHkha Apa bhugata rahe haiN| kyA dekhakara aisA bolate haiM? bar3e Ae duHkha lenevaale| praznakartA : duHkha de to sakate haiM na? dAdAzrI : vaha duHkha le nahIM sakatA aura jo koI hameM du:kha de sakatA hai, vaha to apanA iphekTa hai| de sakatA hai vaha bhI iphekTa hai aura

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52 karma kA vijJAna le sakatA hai vaha bhI iphekTa hai| iphekTa yAnI iTa hepansa yAnI koI kartA nahIM hai! bhayAnaka darda, pApakarma se praznakartA : kisI bhI roga ke hone ke kAraNa mRtyu ho, taba loga aisA kahate haiM ki pUrvajanma ke koI pApa bAdhaka haiN| yaha bAta saca hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, pApa se roga hote haiM aura pApa nahIM hoM, to roga nahIM hote| tumane kisI rogavAle ko dekhA hai? praznakartA : merI mAtAjI abhI hI do mahIne pahale kensara ke kAraNa guz2ara gii| dAdAzrI : vaha to sArA pApakarma ke udaya se hotA hai| pApakarma kA udaya ho taba kensara hotA hai| yaha sArA hArTa aTeka vagairaha pApakarma se hote haiN| nire pApa hI bA~dhe haiM, isa kAla ke jIvoM kA dhaMdhA hI vaha, pUrA dina pApakarma hI karate rahate haiN| bhAna nahIM hai islie| yadi bhAna hotA to aisA nahIM karate! praznakartA : unhoMne pUrI z2indagI bhakti kI thI, to unheM kyoM kensara huA? dAdAzrI : bhakti kI, usakA phala to abhI bAda meM aaegaa| agale janma meM milegaa| yaha pichale janma kA phala Aja milA aura Aja Apa acche gehU~ bo rahe ho, to agale janma meM Apako gehU~ mileNge| praznakartA : karma ke kAraNa roga hote haiM, to davAI se kaise miTate dAdAzrI : haaN| una rogoM meM ve pApa hI kie hue haiM na, ve pApa nAsamajhI se kie the, isalie davAIyoM se madada mila jAtI hai aura helpa ho jAtI hai| jAna-bUjhakara kie hoM, unakI davAI-vavAI kucha milatI nhiiN| davAI milatI hI nahIM hai| nAsamajhI se karanevAle loga haiM becAre! nAsamajhI

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karma kA vijJAna 53 se kiyA huA pApa chor3atA nahIM hai aura jAna-bUjhakara karanevAle ko bhI chor3atA nahIM hai| parantu nAsamajhIvAle ko kucha madada mila jAtI hai aura jAnabUjhakara karanevAle ko nahIM miltii| vaha hai auroM ko parezAna karane kA pariNAma praznakartA : zarIra ke sukha-duHkha hama bhugatate haiM, vaha vyAdhi ho yA cAhe kucha bhI Ae, vaha pUrva ke kisa prakAra ke karmoM ke pariNAma hote haiM? dAdAzrI : isameM to aisA hai, kitane hI loga nAsamajhI meM billI ko mAra dete haiM, kutte ko mAra dete haiM, unheM duHkha dete haiM, parezAna karate haiN| ve to duHkha dete haiM, usa ghar3I khuda ko bhAna nahIM hotA ki isakI kyA z2immedArI AegI? choTI umra meM billI ke bacce mAra dete haiM, kutte ke bacce mAra dete haiM aura dUsarA ye DaoNkTara meDhaka kATate haiM, to usake pratispaMdana unake zarIra para pdd'eNge| jo Apa kara rahe ho, usakA hI pratispaMdana aaeNge| pratispaMdana haiM ye saare| praznakartA : arthAt kisIke zarIra ke sAtha kI gaI cher3akhAnI ke pratighoSa Ate haiM? dAdAzrI : hA~, vhii| kisI jIva ko kiMcit mAtra duHkha denA, vaha Apake hI zarIra para aaegaa| praznakartA : yAnI usane yaha saba jaba kiyA hogA, jIvoM ko cIrA hogA to usa samaya vaha ajJAna dazA meM hotA hai na! use aisA bairabhAva bhI nahIM hotA, to bhI use bhugatanA par3egA? dAdAzrI : bhUla se ajJAna dazA meM aMgAroM para hAtha par3atA hai na, to aMgAre phala dete hI haiN| yAnI koI chor3atA nhiiN| ajJAna yA sajJAna, anajAne meM yA jAna-bUjhakara, bhugatane kA tarIkA alaga hotA hai, parantu kucha chor3a nahIM dete! ye sabhI loga duHkha bhugata rahe haiM, vaha unakA khuda kA hI hisAba hai saaraa| isalie bhagavAna ne kahA hai ki mana-vacana-kAyA se ahiMsA kA

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54 karma kA vijJAna pAlana kr| kisI jIva ko kiMcit mAtra du:kha nahIM ho, vaisA kr| yadi tujhe sukhI honA ho to! praznakartA : koI mahAtmA ho unheM DaoNkTara nahIM bananA cAhie? dAdAzrI : bananA cAhie yA nahIM bananA cAhie, vaha DipharanTa meTara hai| vaha to usakI prakRti ke anusAra hotA hI rhegaa| bAqI, mana meM bhAva aisA honA caahie| yAnI DaoNkTara kI lAina meM jA hI nahIM pAegA phir| kisIko kiMcit mAtra duHkha nahIM ho aisA bhAva jisakA hai, vaha vahA~ kyoM meDhaka mAregA? praznakartA : dUsarI tarapha DaoNkTarI sIkhakara haz2AroM logoM ke darda miTAkara phAyadA bhI karatA hai na? dAdAzrI : vaha duniyA kA vyavahAra hai| use fAyadA nahIM khte| maMdabuddhivAle ko karmabaMdhana kisa taraha kA? praznakartA : jo acchA vyakti ho, to use taraha-taraha ke vicAra Ate haiM, eka minaTa meM kitane hI vicAra kara detA hai| karma bA~dha detA hai aura maMdabuddhivAle ko to samajha hI nahIM hotI kucha isalie use kucha hotA hI nahIM, nirdoSa hotA hai na! dAdAzrI : vaha samajhadAra samajhadArI ke karma bA~dhatA hai aura nahIM samajhanevAlA nAsamajhI kA karma bA~dhatA hai| para nAsamajhIvAloM ke karma bahuta moTe hote haiM aura samajhadArIvAle to viveka sahita aise bA~dhate haiN| isalie nAsamajhIvAle ke karma sAre jaMgalI jaise hote haiM, jAnavara jaise, use samajha hI nahIM hai, bhAna hI nahIM phira, vaha to kisIko dekhe aura patthara mArane ko taiyAra ho jAtA hai| praznakartA : hameM aise logoM para dayA nahIM rakhanI cAhie? dAdAzrI : rakhanI hI caahie| jise samajha nahIM ho, usakI tarapha dayAbhAva rakhanA caahie| usakI helpa karanI cAhie kuch| dimAga kI

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karma kA vijJAna kharAbI, use lekara becArA aisA hotA hai, usameM phira usakA kyA doSa? vaha patthara mAra jAe, phira bhI hama usake sAtha baira nahIM rakhate, usa para karuNA rakhanI caahie| garIba-amIra kauna se karma se? jo ho rahA hai, use hI nyAya mAnA jAe to kalyANa ho jaae| praznakartA : to dAdA, Apako nahIM lagatA ki, do loga hoM, unameM se eka dekhatA ho ki yaha AdamI itanA burA hai, phira bhI itanI acchI sthiti meM hai aura maiM itanA dharmaparAyaNa hU~, phira bhI aisA duHkhI huuN| to usakA mana dharma meM se nahIM haTa jAegA? dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, yaha jo duHkhI hai vaise koI sAre hI dharmaparAyaNavAle duHkhI nahIM hote| sau meM se pA~ca pratizata sukhI bhI hote haiN| Aja jo duHkha AyA hai, vaha apane hI karmoM kA pariNAma hai| Aja vaha jo sukhI huA hai, Aja usake pAsa paisA hai aura vaha sukha bhoga rahA hai, vaha usake karma kA pariNAma hai| aura aba jo kharAba kara rahA hai usakA pariNAma AegA, taba vaha bhugtegaa| hama abhI jo acchA kara rahe haiM, usakA pariNAma hameM AegA taba bhugteNge| praznakartA : dAdA, ApakI yaha bAta satya hai| para yadi vyAvahArika dRSTi se dekhA jAe to eka vyakti jhoMpar3apaTTI meM rahatA hai, bhUkhA hotA hai, pyAsA hotA hai| sAmane mahala meM eka AdamI rahatA ho| jhoMpar3IvAlA dekhatA hai ki merI aisI kaisI dazA hai| maiM to itanA adhika pramANika huuN| naukarI karatA hU~, phira bhI mere baccoM ko khAne ko nahIM miltaa| jaba ki yaha AdamI to itanA adhika ulTA karatA hai, phira bhI vaha mahala meM rahatA hai| to use gussA nahIM AegA? vaha kisa taraha sthiratA rakha sakegA? dAdAzrI : abhI jo duHkha bhoga rahA hai, vaha pahale kI parIkSA dI hai, usakA pariNAma A rahA hai aura usa mahalavAle ne bhI yaha parIkSA dI

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56 karma kA vijJAna hai, usakA yaha pariNAma AyA hai, pAsa huA hai aura aba vApisa nApAsa hone ke lakSaNa khar3e ho rahe haiM usake / aura isa garIba ko pAsa hone ke lakSaNa khar3e ho rahe haiM / praznakartA : para vaha garIba AdamI, usakI khuda kI mAnasika sthiti jaba taka paripakva nahIM ho, taba taka kaise samajhegA vaha ? dAdAzrI : yaha mAnane meM hI nahIM aataa| isalie isameM balki adhika pApa bA~dhatA hai / use yaha samajhanA hI cAhie ki mere hI karma kA pariNAma hai| kareM acchA aura phala kharAba praznakartA : hama acchA karate haiM para usakA phala acchA nahIM miltaa| usakA artha aisA huA ki pUrvajanma ke kucha kharAba karma hoMge, ve use kensala kara dete haiM? dAdAzrI : hA~, kara dete haiM / hamane jvAra to boyA aura ve bar3e ho gae, aura pUrvajanma kA apane kharAba karma kA udaya ho to AkhirI varSA nahIM hotI, taba sArI hI phasala sUkha jAtI hai, aura puNya z2ora kare to taiyAra ho jAtI hai, varnA hAtha meM AyA huA bhI china jAtA hai| isalie acche karma karo, varnA mukti DhUMDho / donoM meM se eka rAstA lo! isa duniyA meM se chUTa jAne kA rAstA DhUMDho, yA phira acche karma karo hamezA ke lie| para hamezA ke lie acche karma ho nahIM sakate manuSya se, ulTe rAste car3ha hI jaaegaa| kusaMga milatA hI rahatA hai| praznakartA : zubha karma aura azubha karma pahacAnane kA tharmAmITara kauna-sA? dAdAzrI : zubha karma Ae~ taba hameM miThAsa lagatI hai, zAMti lagatI hai, vAtAvaraNa zAMta lagatA hai aura azubha karma Ae~ taba kar3avAhaTa utpanna hotI hai, mana ko caina nahIM par3atA / ayukta karma tapAtA hai aura yukta karma hRdaya ko AnaMda detA hai /

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karma kA vijJAna ___57 mRtyu ke bAda sAtha meM kyA jAtA hai? praznakartA : zubha aura azubha jo karma haiM, unakA jo pariNAma hai vaha aba dUsarI jisa kisI yoni meM jAe, vahA~ use bhugatanA par3atA hai na? dAdAzrI : vahA~ bhugatanA hI par3atA hai| isalie yahA~ se mRtyu ho, taba mUla zuddhAtmA jAtA hai| sAtha meM sArI z2indagI jo zubhAzubha karma kie ve yojanA ke rUpa meM jise kAraNa zarIra arthAt kaoNz2ala baoNDI kahA jAtA hai, phira sUkSma baoNDI yAnI ilekTrikala boNddii| yaha saba sAtha jaaegaa| aura kucha nahIM jaataa| praznakartA : manuSya janma jo milatA hai, vaha bAra-bAra milatA hai yA phira amuka samaya ke lie manuSya meM Akara vApasa dUsarI yoni meM use jAnA par3atA hai? dAdAzrI : yahIM se sabhI yoniyoM meM jAte haiN| abhI lagabhaga sattara pratizata loga cAra pairoM meM (jAnavaragati) jaaeNge| yahA~ se sattara pratizata! aura janasaMkhyA tIvratA se khatama ho jaaegii| arthAta manaSya meM se jAnavara bhI bana sakatA hai, devatA bana sakatA hai, narkagati ho sakatI hai aura phira se manuSya bhI bana sakatA hai| jisajisa taraha ke karma kie hoM, usa taraha ke banate haiN| kyA loga pAzavatA ke lAyaka karma karate haiM abhI? praznakartA : abhI to bahuta loga pAzavatA ke hI karma kara rahe haiM na! dAdAzrI : to vahA~ kI TikaTa A gaI, riz2arvezana ho gyaa| yAnI ki milAvaTa karatA ho, aNahakka kA khA jAtA ho, bhoga letA ho, jhUTha bolatA ho, coriyA~ karatA ho, una sabakI aba niMdA karane kA artha hI kyA hai? ye unakI TikaTa unheM mila gaI haiM! cAra gati meM bhaTakana / praznakartA : yaha manuSya nIca yoni meM jA sakatA hai kyA?

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58 karma kA vijJAna dAdAzrI : manuSya meM se phira to devatA meM, sabase bar3A devatA banakara khar3A raha sakatA hai, isa duniyA meM ttoNpmostt| aura nIca yoni arthAt kaisI nIca yoni? ghRNAjanaka yoni meM jAtA hai| jisakA nAma sunate hI ghRNA hotI manuSya, manuSya janma meM hI karma bA~dha sakatA hai| bAqI dUsare kisI yoni meM karma nahIM baaNdhtaa| dUsarI sabhI yoniyoM meM karma bhugatatA hai| aura yahA~ manuSya meM karma bA~dhatA bhI hai aura karma bhugatatA bhI hai, donoM hotA hai| pichale karma bhugatate jAte haiM aura naye bA~dhate haiN| isalie yahA~ se cAra gati meM bhaTakanA hai, yahA~ se jAnA hotA hai aura ye gAyeM-bhaiMse, ye saba jAnavara dikhate haiM, ye devI-devatA, unheM karma bhogane haiM sirpha, unheM karma karane kA adhikAra nahIM hai| praznakartA : para adhikAMza manuSya ke to karma acche hote hI nahIM haiM na? dAdAzrI : yaha to kaliyuga hai aura dUSamakAla hai, isalie kAphI kucha karma kharAba hI hote haiN| praznakartA : arthAt yahA~ para dUsare naye karma ba~dhege hI na? dAdAzrI : rAta-dina ba~dhate hI rahate haiN| purAne bhugatatA jAtA hai aura naye bAMdhatA jAtA hai| praznakartA : to isase aba dUsarA koI acchA janma hai kyA? dAdAzrI : kisI jagaha para nahIM hai| itanA hI acchA hai| dUsare to do prakAra ke bhv| yahA~ yadi karja ho gayA ho, yAnI kharAba karma baMdha gae hoM, vaha karz2a kahalAtA hai| taba phira jAnavaroM meM jAnA par3atA hai, DebiTa bhugatane ke lie aura narkagati meM jAnA to DebiTa adhika ho gayA ho, to vahA~ para karja bhugatakara vApisa AnA hai, DebiTa bhugtkr| yahA~ acche karma hue hoM, to bar3e, U~cI jAti ke manuSya banate haiN| vahA~ pUrI z2indagI sukha hotA hai| vaha bhogakara vApisa jaisA thA vaisA kA vaisA, aura nahIM to devagati

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karma kA vijJAna meM jAtA hai| kreDiTa ke sukha bhogane ke lie| para kreDiTa pUrI ho gaI, lAkha rupaye pUre ho gae, kharca ho gae to vApisa yahIM para, muA! praznakartA : anya sabhI janmoM se isa manuSyajanma kA AyuSya adhika hai na? dAdAzrI : nahIM, aisA kucha nahIM hai| ina devI-devatAoM kA lAkhoM varSoM kA AyuSya hotA hai| praznakartA : para devI-devatA banane ke lie to ye sAre karma pUre ho jAe~, phira naMbara AegA na? dAdAzrI : nahIM, aisA kucha nhiiN| yadi koI suparahyumana ho to devatA hI banatA hai| khuda kA sukha khuda nahIM bhogatA aura dUsaroM ko de detA hai, vaha suparahyumana kahalAtA hai| vaha devagati meM jAtA hai! / praznakartA : khuda ko sukha nahIM ho, to phira vaha dUsaroM ko kisa taraha sukha de sakegA? dAdAzrI : isalie hI nahIM de sakatA na, para koI aisA manuSya ho, karoDoM meM ekAdha manuSya, vaha khuda kA sukha dUsaroM ko de detA hai, vaha devagati meM jAtA hai| pahale to aise bahuta loga the| sau meM se do-do, tInatIna pratizata, pA~ca-pA~ca pratizata the| abhI to karor3oM meM do-cAra nikalate haiM shaayd| abhI to duHkha nahIM de to bhI samajhadAra khlaaegaa| dUsaroM ko kucha bhI duHkha nahIM de to phira se manuSya meM AtA hai| manuSya meM acchI jagaha para ki jahA~ baMgalA taiyAra ho, gAr3iyA~ taiyAra hoM, vahA~ janma hotA hai, aura pAzavatA ke karma kare, ye milAvaTa kare, luccApana kare, coriyA~ kare, to pazu meM jAnA par3atA hai| praznakartA : to niyama kyA hai? dAdAzrI : adhogati meM jAnevAlA ho, vaha pakar3A nahIM jAtA aura Urdhvagati meM jo jAtA hai, aise manuSya ke halke karma hote haiM na, to use pulisavAle se pakar3avA hI dete haiM turanta hii| vaha Age ulTA jAte hue ruka

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60 karma kA vijJAna jAtA hai aura usake bhAva badala jAte haiN| kudarata helpa kise karatI hai? ki jo bhArI hai, use bhArI hone detI hai| halkA hai, use halkA hone detI hai| halkevAlA Urdhvagati meM jAtA hai| bhArIvAlA adhogati meM jAtA hai| yAnI yaha kudarata ke niyama haiM aise| abhI jaise kisIne kabhI corI nahIM kI ho aura eka bAra corI kare na, to turanta pakar3A jAtA hai aura pakkA cora pakar3a meM nahIM aataa| kyoMki usake bhArI karma haiM, isalie usameM pUre mArksa cAhie na! mAinasa mArka bhI pUre cAhie na! to hI duniyA calegI na? manuSyajAti meM hI baMdhe karma praznakartA : maiM isalie hI pUcha rahA hU~ ki manuSya janma ke alAvA dUsarA koI aisA janma hai yA nahIM ki jisameM kama karma ba~dhate hoM? / dAdAzrI : aura kahIM karma ba~dhate hI nhiiN| dUsarI kisI yoni meM karma ba~dhate hI nahIM, sirpha yahIM para ba~dhate haiM aura jahA~ nahIM ba~dhate, ve loga kyA kahate haiM? ki yahA~ kahA~ isa jela meM Ae? karma ba~dhe vaisI jagaha to muktatA kahalAtI hai, yaha to (jahA~ karma nahIM baMdhe) jela kahalAtI hai| praznakartA : manuSya janma meM hI karma baMdhate haiN| acche karma bhI yahIM para ba~dhate haiM na? dAdAzrI : acche karma bhI yahI ba~dhate haiM aura bure bhI yahIM para ba~dhate ye manuSya karma bA~dhate haiN| unameM yadi logoM ko nukasAna karanevAle, logoM ko duHkha denevAle karma hote haiM, to vaha jAnavara meM jAtA hai aura narkagati meM jAtA hai| logoM ko sukha dene ke karma hoM to manuSya meM AtA hai aura devagati meM jAtA hai| yAnI jaise karma vaha karatA hai, usa anusAra usakI gati hotI hai| aba gati huI yAnI phira bhugatakara vApisa yahIM para AnA par3atA hai| ___karma bAMdhane kA adhikAra manuSyoM ko hI hai, dUsare kisIko nahIM, aura jise bA~dhane kA adhikAra hai, use cAroM gati meM bhaTakanA par3atA hai|

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karma kA vijJAna aura yadi karma nahIM kare, bilkula karma hI na kare to mokSa meM jAtA hai| manuSya meM se mokSa meM jAyA jA sakatA hai| dUsarI kisI jagaha se mokSa meM nahIM jA sktaa| karma nahIM kare vaisA Apane dekhA hai? praznakartA : nahIM, vaisA nahIM dekhaa| dAdAzrI : Apane dekhe haiM karma nahIM kare vaise? inhoMne dekhe haiM aura Apane nahIM dekhe?! ye jAnavara vagairaha sabhI haiM, ve khAte haiM, pIte haiM, mArapITa karate haiM, lar3AI-jhagar3A karate haiM, phira bhI unheM karma nahIM bNdhte| usI prakAra manuSyoM ko bhI karma nahIM baMdhe, aisI sthiti saMbhava hai| parantu 'khuda' karma kA kartA nahIM bane to aura karma bhugate utanA hI! isalie yahA~, hamAre yahA~ Ae~, unheM 'selpha riyalAiz2a' kA jJAna prApta ho jAe to karma kA karttApana chUTa jAtA hai, karanA hI chUTa jAtA hai, bhugatanA hI rahatA hai phir| ahaMkAra ho taba taka karma kA krtaa| ATha janmoM taka kI pU~jI sAtha meM praznakartA : jina-jina yoniyoM meM karma nahIM ba~dhate, sirpha karma bhugatane hI par3ate haiM, to usa jIva kA agalA janma kisa taraha se hotA dAdAzrI : yaha itanA adhika hai ki manuSya yahA~ se gayA, to gAya kA janma milaa| vaha gAya kA janma bhugatatA hai| vaha pUrA ho jAe, usake bAda bakarI kA janma milatA hai| vaha bakarI kA hI Ae aisA nahIM hai| jisa kisI yoni meM usakA hisAba ho usake anusAra AtA hai| Diz2Aina ho usake anusAra AtA hai| phira, gadhe kA janma AtA hai| sau- do sau varSa isa taraha bhaTakakara AtA hai| yAnI sArA DebiTa bhugata liyA jAtA hai| yAnI yahA~ para manuSya meM janma vApisa AtA hai| dUsarI saba jagaha eka janma ke bAda dUsarA janma hotA hai| to vaha karma karane se nahIM hotaa| vaha karma bhugate jA cuke haiM, isalie hotA hai| yaha eka parata gaI aura dUsarI parata

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karma kA vijJAna AI, dUsarI parata gaI aura tIsarI parata AI, isa taraha sArI parateM bhugata lI jAe~, taba sabhI ATha janma pUre ho jAte haiM aura vApisa yahA~ manuSya meM A jAtA hai| adhika se adhika ATha janma dUsarI gatiyoM meM bhaTakakara vApisa manuSya meM A hI jAtA hai| aisA karma kA niyama hai| manuSyoM ke lAyaka ho, vaise karma to usake pAsa pU~jI ke rUpa meM rahate hI haiN| jahA~ jAe, devagati meM jAe to bhii| yAnI pU~jI ke AdhAra para vApisa lauTakara AtA hai| isa taraha isa pU~jI ko rakhakara, bAkI dUsare sAre karma bhugata letA hai| praznakartA : manuSya meM AtA hai, phira usakA jIvana kisa taraha calatA hai? vaha usake bhAva para hI calatA hai na? usake kauna-se karmoM ke AdhAra para usakA jIvana calatA hai? dAdAzrI : usake pAsa manuSya ke karma to pU~jI meM haiM hii| yaha pU~jI to apane pAsa hai hI, parantu udhAra ho gayA ho to udhAra bhugata lo aura phira vApisa Ao, kahate haiN| kreDiTa ho gayA ho, taba kreDiTa bhugatakara vApisa yahA~ para aao| yaha to pU~jI hai hI apane paas| yaha pU~jI to kama par3e aisI hai nhiiN| yaha pU~jI kaba kama par3atI hai? ki jaba karttApada chUTe taba chUTatI hai| taba mokSa meM calA jAtA hai| nahIM to karttApada chUTatA hI nahIM na! ahaMkAra khatama ho jAe taba chUTatA hai| ahaMkAra ho, taba una karmoM ko bhugatakara vApisa yahIM ke yahIM A jAtA hai muaa| praznakartA : dUsarI sabhI yoniyoM meM se vApisa manuSya meM AtA hai, to Ae taba kahA~ para janma letA hai? machuAre ke vahA~ yA rAjA ke vahA~ letA hai? dAdAzrI : yahA~ manuSya yoni meM khuda ke pAsa jo sAmAna taiyAra rakha gayA thA na, vaha aura dUsarA yaha karz2a khar3A kiyA hai, vaha karja cukAkara AtA hai aura phira vahIM ke vahIM A jAtA hai aura usa sAmAna se vApisa zurU karatA hai| isalie hama jisa bAz2Ara meM jAte haiM, ve sAre kAma nipaTAkara vApisa ghara para hI A jAte haiN| usI taraha yaha ghara hai| yahIM ke yahIM vApisa

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karma kA vijJAna 63 AnA hai| yahA~ yaha ghara hai / yahA~ para jaba ahaMkAra khatama ho jAegA, taba yahA~ para bhI nahIM rheNge| mokSa meM cale jAe~ge basa / aba dUsare janmoM meM ahaMkAra kA upayoga nahIM hotaa| jahA~ bhugatanA hai, vahA~ ahaMkAra kA upayoga nahIM hotaa| isalie karma hI nahIM ba~dhate / ina bhaiMsoM ko, ina gAyoM ko, kisIko ahaMkAra nahIM hotA / dikhatA z2arUra hai ki yaha ghor3A ahaMkArI hai, para vaha DiscArja ahaMkAra / saccA ahaMkAra nahIM hai| saccA ahaMkAra ho to karma ba~dhatA hai| yAnI ahaMkAra ke kAraNa vApisa yahA~ AtA hai / ahaMkAra yadi khatama ho jAe to mokSa meM calA jAe / riTarna TikaTa liyA hai jAnavara meM se ! praznakartA : Apane kahA ki karmoM kA phala milatA hai, to ye jo jAnavara haiM, ve vApisa manuSya meM A sakate haiM kyA? I dAdAzrI : ve hI Ate haiM / ve hI abhI Ae haiM / unakI AbAdI bar3ha gaI hai| aura ve hI milAvaTa karate haiM, ye sArI / praznakartA : una jAnavaroM ne kauna-se satkarma kie hoMge ki ve mAnava bane? dAdAzrI : unheM satkarma nahIM karane pdd'te| maiM Apako smjhaauuN| eka manuSya karz2adAra bana gayA / karz2adAra banA isalie divAliyA kahalAtA hai / loga divAliyA kahate haiM use| to phira usane karz2a cukA diyA, taba phira use divAliyA kaheMge kyA? praznakartA: nahIM, phira nahIM kaheMge / dAdAzrI : usI taraha yahA~ se jAnavara meM jAte haiM na, karz2a cukAne ke lie hii| karz2a cukAkara yahA~ vApisa A jAtA hai aura devagati meM jAe to kreDiTa (jamA) bhogakara vApisa yahIM para AtA hai / aise nimaMtrita karate haiM adhogati praznakartA : manuSya ko jAnavaroM kA hI janma milegA, vaha kisa

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64 karma kA vijJAna taraha patA calatA hai? dAdAzrI : usake sAre lakSaNa hI kaha dete haiN| abhI usake vicAra haiM na, ve vicAra hI pAzavatA ke Ate haiN| kaise Ate haiM? kisakA bhugata lU~? kisakA khA jAU~, kisakA aisA karU~? mRtyu samaya kI sthiti kA phoTo bhI jAnavara kA banatA hai| praznakartA : Ama kI guThalI bone para Ama hI AtA hai, vaise hI manuSya mare to manuSya meM se vApisa manuSya hI banatA hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, manuSya meM se vApisa arthAt yaha meTaraniTI vaoNrDa meM manuSya kI kokha se kuttA nahIM jnmtaa| samajha meM AtA hai na! para manuSya meM jise sajjanatA ke vicAra hoM yAnI mAnavatA ke guNa hoM to phira vApisa manuSya meM AtA hai, aura khuda ke haqa kA bhogane kA ho, vaha logoM ko de de to devagati meM jAtA hai, suparahyumana kahalAtA hai| aura khuda kI strI bhogane meM harja nahIM hai| vaha haqa kA kahalAtA hai, para aNahakka (binA haqa) kA nahIM bhoga skte| ve bhoga lene ke vicAra haiM, vahI manuSya meM se dUsare janma meM jAnavara meM jAne kI nizAnI hai uskii| vaha vIz2A hai, hama usakA vIz2A dekha leM na, to patA cala jAtA hai| praznakartA : karma kA siddhAMta aisA hai ki manuSya ko usake karma manuSya yoni meM hI bhugatane par3ate haiN| dAdAzrI : nhiiN| karma to yahIM ke yahIM bhugatane haiN| parantu jo vicAra kie hue hoM ki kisakA bhoga lU~, kisakA le lU~, aura kisakA ye kara lU~, aise saMkalpa-vikalpa kie hoM, ve use le jAte haiM vahA~ pr| yahA~ kie hue karma to yahIM ke yahIM bhugata letA hai| pAzavatA kA karma kiyA hoM, vaha to yahIM ke yahIM bhugata letA hai| usameM harja nahIM hai| A~khoM se dikheM aise pAzavatA ke karma kie hoM, ve yahIM para bhugatane par3ate haiN| unheM kisa taraha bhugatatA hai? logoM meM niMdA hotI hai, loga dutkArate haiN| parantu yadi pAzavatA ke vicAra kie, saMkalpa-vikalpa kharAba kie ki aise hI karanA cAhie, aise karanA cAhie, aise bhoganA cAhie, yojanAe~ bnaaiiN| ve yojanA use

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karma kA vijJAna jAnavaragati meM le jAtI hai| yojanA gar3hatA hai na aMdara? nahIM gar3hatA? ve jAnavaragati meM le jAtI haiN| isameM bhoganevAlA kauna? praznakartA : acche karma kare to puNya ba~dhatA hai aura bure karma kare to paap| ye pApa-puNya kauna bhugatatA hai, zarIra yA AtmA? dAdAzrI : ye pApa-puNya jo karatA hai, vaha bhugatatA hai| kauna bhugatatA hai? ahaMkAra karatA hai aura ahaMkAra bhugatatA hai| zarIra nahIM bhugatatA aura AtmA bhI nahIM bhugttaa| yaha ahaMkAra bhugatatA hai| zarIra sahita ahaMkAra hotA hai, to zarIra sahita bhugatatA hai| zarIra ke binA kiyA huA ahaMkAra zarIra ke binA bhugatatA hai| sirpha mAnasika rUpa se bhugatatA hai| praznakartA : mRtyu ke bAda svarga yA narka jaisA kucha hai kyA? dAdAzrI : mRtyu ke bAda svarga aura narka donoM hI haiN| praznakartA : yAnI kharAba karma kie hoM to narka meM kauna jAtA hai? AtmA jAtA hai? dAdAzrI : are AtmA aura zarIra donoM sAtha hI hoMge na! praznakartA : mara jAte haiM taba zarIra to yahIM para chUTa jAtA hai na? dAdAzrI : vahA~ phira nayA zarIra banatA hai| narka meM alaga taraha kA zarIra banatA hai, vahA~ pAre (pArada) jaisA zarIra hotA hai| praznakartA : vahA~ para zarIra bhugatatA hai yA AtmA bhugatatA hai? dAdAzrI : ahaMkAra bhugatatA hai| jisane kie hoM na, narka ke kAma kie hoM, vaha bhugatatA hai| hiTalara ne kaise karma bA~dhe? hiTalara ne ina logoM ko mArA, use usakA phala kyoM nahIM milA?

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66 karma kA vijJAna usane jinheM mArA, ve saba kahA~ se mile? use ye plena kahA~ se mila gae? yaha saba kahA~ se milA? mila gayA to mAre, yAnI yaha karmaphala thA usa becAre kA? usakA bhI phala vApisa narkagati aaegaa| zAstrakAroM ne Age kahA hai, yahA~ jo mara gayA aura jagat meM niMdanIya ho gayA to narkagati yA jAnavara meM jaaegaa| jagat meM yadi kabhI tArIpha ke lAyaka hue aura usakI khyAti phaile to devagati yA bahuta huA to manuSya meM jAtA hai! yAnI usakA vApisa phala to aaegaa| isalie ise logoM ke tarAjU se dekha lenaa| sattAdhIza ke hisAba prajA ke saMga praznakartA : kisI eka deza ke sattAdhIza haiM na, vahA~ ke dharmaguru kaho ki abhI sattA sabakucha unake hAtha meM hai| ve deza ke pramukha kahalAte haiM abhii| abhI lAkhoM loga mara rahe haiN| duniyA ke sabhI dezoM ne unase vinatI kI ki Apa samAdhAna kro| para ve samAdhAna karane ko taiyAra nahIM hai aura lAkhoM logoM kA nikaMdana ho hI rahA hai| vaha kaisA karma hai? unake sAtha RNAnubaMdha, lAkhoM lAgoM ke sAtha ke RNAnubaMdha kyA hai? dAdAzrI : ve loga to unake karma bhoga rahe haiM aura ve bA~dha nahIM rahe haiM, ve bhoga rahe haiN| praznakartA : aura vaha jo mAra rahA hai usakA? dAdAzrI : vaha to karma bA~dha rahA hai| vaha narkagati meM jaaegaa| praznakartA : ye sabhI mara rahe haiN| usakA nimitta to yaha mAranevAlA banatA hai na? vaha kisa kAraNa se? dAdAzrI : nimitta banatA hai aura isalie vaha narka meM jaaegaa| praznakartA : narka meM jAegA vaha ThIka hai| para yaha huA kisa taraha? kisa hisAba se huA hogA? dAdAzrI : logoM kA hisaab| usake sAtha kA hisAba nahIM, logoM ne gunAha kie the isalie vaisA nimitta mila gyaa|

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karma kA vijJAna ___ logoM ne gunAha kie the, isalie koI bhI nimitta mila gayA aura unheM khatama kara diyaa| una sabakA karma vyaktigata nahIM hai| yaha vyaktigata to kaba kahalAegA? aise Apa yoM hI bAtacIta nahIM karate aura Apako dekhU to mujhe aMdara ubAla Ae, vaha vyktigt| dUra rahakara kAma ho, vaha vyaktigata nahIM khlaataa| vaha kahalAtA hai sAmUhika karmodaya praznakartA : aba isa jagat meM jo bhUkaMpa hote haiM aura jvAlAmukhI phaTate haiM, vaha saba kauna-sI zakti karatI hai? dAdAzrI : sArA vyavasthita zakti / vyavasthita zakti sabakucha karatI hai| eviDensa khar3A honA caahie| saba eviDensa ikaTThe hue yA phira z2arA kucha kaccA raha gayA ho na to (bAkI kA) thor3A-sA mila gayA ki phUTatA hai z2ora se| praznakartA : yaha tUfAna A~dhI vagairaha vyavasthita bhejatA hai? dAdAzrI : to aura kauna bhejegA? yaha tUfAna to pUre muMbaI para hotA hai, para kucha loga aisA pUchate haiM, 'tUfAna AyA hai yA nahIM?' aisA kahakara pUchate haiM are mue, pUcha rahe ho? taba kaheMge, 'hamane to nahIM dekhA abhI taka, hamAre yahA~ to nahIM aayaa|' aisA hai yaha saba to| tUfAna muMbaI meM sabhI ko sparza nahIM krtaa| kisIko eka prakAra se sparza karatA hai, kisIkA pUrA hI makAna ur3A detA hai ekadama se, aura kisIkI dariyA~ par3I huI hoM, to unheM kucha nahIM hotaa| sabakucha paddhatipUrvaka kAma kara rahe haiN| tUfAna Ae usakA Dara nahIM rakhanA hai| saba vyavasthita bhejatA hai| praznakartA : ye sAre bhUkaMpa hote haiM, sAiklona Ate hai, lar3AIyA~ hotI haiM, vaha sabakucha hAni-vRddhi ke AdhAra para nahIM hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, karma ke udaya ke AdhAra para hai, vaha sb| sabhI udaya bhugata rahe haiN| manuSyoM kI vRddhi ho rahI ho na taba bhI bhUkaMpa hote rahate haiN| yadi hAni-vRddhi ke adhIna ho to nahIM hogA na?

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68 karma kA vijJAna praznakartA : jise bhugatanA hai usakA udaya? dAdAzrI : manuSyoM kA udaya, jAnavaroM kA, sabhI kaa| hA~, sAmUhika udaya AtA hai| dekho na, hIrozimA aura nAgAsAkI meM udaya AyA thA na! praznakartA : jaise eka vyakti ne pApa kiyA, vaise sAmUhika pApa karate haiM, usakA badalA sAmUhika prakAra se milatA hai? eka AdamI khuda corI karane gayA aura dasa loga sAtha meM DAkA DAlane gae, to usakA daMDa sAmUhika milatA hogA? dAdAzrI : hA~, phala sAmUhika milegA, para dasoM logoM ko kmj'yaadaa| unake bhAva kaise haiM, usa AdhAra pr| koI vyakti to aisA kahatA hai ki yaha mere cAcA kI jagaha para mujhe jabaradastI jAnA par3A, aise bhAva hote haiN| isalie jitanA sTroMga bhAva haiM, usa para se hisAba sAre cukAne haiN| bilkula krektt| dharma ke kA~Te jaisaa| praznakartA : parantu ye jo kudaratI kopa hote hoMge, yaha kisI jagaha plena girA aura itane loga mara gae aura kisI jagaha koI jvAlAmukhI phaTA aura do haz2Ara logoM kI hAni huI, una sabake eka sAtha milakara kie gae karmoM ke sAmUhika daMDa kA pariNAma hogA vaha? dAdAzrI : una sabakA hisAba hai saaraa| utane hI hisAbavAle pakar3e jAte haiM usameM, koI dUsarA nahIM pakar3A jaataa| Aja muMbaI gayA ho aura usake bAda kala yahA~ bhUkaMpa A jAe aura muMbaIvAle yahA~ para Ae hue hoM, aura ve muMbaIvAle yahA~ mara jAte haiM, yAnI saba hisAba hai| praznakartA : isalie abhI jo itane sAre jahA~-tahA~ saba marate haiM, ve koI pA~ca sau-do sau aura aisI saMkhyA meN| jo pahale kabhI bhI itane sAre, samUha meM marate hue dekhane meM nahIM Ate the, to itanA sArA samUha meM pApa hotA hogA? dAdAzrI : pahale samUha the bhI nahIM na! abhI to lAla jhaMDevAle nikale hoM to kitane hoMge? ye sapheda jhaMDevAle kitane hoMge? abhI samUha

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69 karma kA vijJAna haiM, isalie samUha kA kaam| pahale samUha the hI nahIM na! praznakartA : haM... arthAt kudaratI kopa, vaha samUha kA hI pariNAma hai na! yaha anAvRSTi honA, yaha kisI jagaha para bhArI bAr3ha A jAnA, kisI jagaha para bhUkaMpa se lAkhoM logoM kA mara jaanaa| dAdAzrI : saba ina logoM kA hI prinnaam| praznakartA : yAnI jisa samaya daMDa milanA ho, taba cAhe jahA~ se khiMcakara yahA~ para A hI gayA hotA hai? dAdAzrI : ye kudarata hI le AtI hai vahA~ para aura ubAla detI hai, bhUna detI hai| use plena meM lAkara plena ko girA detI hai| praznakartA : hA~, daadaa| aise udAharaNa dekhane meM Ate haiM ki jo jAnevAlA ho, vaha kisI kAraNa se raha jAtA hai aura kabhI bhI nahIM jAnevAlA ho, vaha usakI TikaTa lekara baiTha gayA hotA hai| phira plena girakara TUTa jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : hisAba hai saaraa| paddhati anusAra nyaay| bilkula dharma ke kA~Te jaisaa| kyoMki usakA mAlika nahIM hai, mAlika ho, taba to anyAya ho| praznakartA : eyara-inDiyA kA plena TUTa gyaa| vaha sabakA nimitta thA, yaha vyavasthita thA? dAdAzrI : hisAba hii| hisAba ke binA to kucha hotA nhiiN| pApa-puNya kA nahIM hotA plasa-mAinasa praznakartA : pApa karma aura puNyakarma kA plasa-mAinasa (jor3abAqI) hokara neTa meM riz2alTa AtA hai, bhugatane meM? dAdAzrI : nahIM, plasa-mAinasa nahIM hotaa| para usakA bhugatanA kama kiyA jA sakatA hai| plasa-mAinasa kA to, yaha duniyA hai taba se hI niyama

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70 karma kA vijJAna hI nahIM hai| nahIM to akkalavAle loga hI lAbha uThA lete, aisA krke| kyoMki sau puNya kare aura dasa pApa kare, una dasa ko kama karake mere nabbe bace haiM, jamA kara lenA, kheNge| taba akkalavAloM ko to maz2A A jAegA sbko| ye to kahate hai, yaha puNya bhoga aura phira bAda meM dasa pApa bhugt| praznakartA : dAdA, hamase binA ahaMkAra se koI satkArya ho athavA kisI saMsthA yA hospiTala Adi ko paise deM to apane karma ke anusAra jo bhoganA hotA hai, vaha kama ho jAtA hai, yaha saccI bAta hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, kama nahIM hotaa| kama-jyAdA nahIM hotaa| usase dUsare karma ba~dhate haiN| dUsare puNya ke karma ba~dhate haiN| parantu vaha hama kisIko mukkA mAra Ae~, usakA phala to bhugatanA pdd'egaa| nahIM to ye sAre vyApArI loga mAinasa karake phira sirpha phAyadA hI rkhte| yaha aisA nahIM hai| niyama bahuta suMdara hai| eka mukkA mArA ho, usakA phala aaegaa| sau puNya meM se do mAinasa nahIM hoNge| do pApa bhI haiM aura sau puNya bhI haiN| donoM alaga-alaga bhogane haiN| praznakartA : arthAt yaha zubhakarma kareM aura azubha karma kareM, donoM kA phala alaga-alaga milatA hai? dAdAzrI : azubhavAlA azubha phala detA hI hai| zubha kA zubha detA hai| kucha bhI kama-jyAdA nahIM hotaa| bhagavAna ke vahA~ niyama kaisA hai? ki Apane Aja zubha karma kiyA yAnI sau rupaye dAna meM die, to sau rupaye jamA karate haiM aura pA~ca rupaye kisIko gAlI dekara udhAra car3hAyA, to Apake khAte meM udhAra likha dete haiN| ve pa~cAnave jamA nahIM krte| ve pA~ca udhAra bhI karate haiM aura sau jamA bhI karate haiN| bahuta pakke haiN| varnA ina vyApArI logoM ko phira se duHkha hI nahIM pdd'te| aisA ho to jamA-udhAra karake unakA jamA hI rahe, aura taba phira koI mokSa meM jAe hI nhiiN| yahA~ para pUrA dina sirpha puNya hI hotaa| phira kauna jAe mokSa meM? yaha niyama hI aisA hai ki sau jamA karate haiM aura pA~ca udhAra bhI karate haiN| bAkI

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71 karma kA vijJAna (mAinasa) nahIM krte| isalie AdamI ko, jo jamA kiyA ho, vaha phira bhugatanA par3atA hai, vaha puNya acchA nahIM lagatA phira, bahuta puNya ikaTThA ho gayA ho na, dasa dina, paMdraha dina khAne karane kA, saba zAdiyA~ vagairaha cala rahI ho, acchA nahIM lagatA Uba jAte haiN| bahuta puNya se bhI Uba jAte haiM, bahuta pApa se bhI Uba jAte haiN| paMdraha dina taka senTa aura itra aise ghisate rahe hoM, khUba khAnA khilAyA, phira bhI khicar3I khAne ke lie ghara para bhAga jAtA hai| kyoMki yaha saccA sukha nahIM hai| yaha kalpita sukha hai| sacce sukha kA kabhI bhI abhAva hI nahIM hotaa| vaha AtmA kA jo saccA sukha hai, usakA abhAva kabhI bhI hotA hI nhiiN| yaha to kalpita sukha hai| karmabaMdhana meM se mukti kA mArga... praznakartA : punarjanma meM karmabaMdha kA hala lAne kA rAstA kyA hai? hameM aisA sAdhAraNa mAlUma hai ki pichale janma meM hamane acche yA bure sabhI karma kie hue hI haiM, to unheM hala karane kA rAstA kyA hai? dAdAzrI : yadi koI tujhe parezAna kara rahA ho, to tU aba samajha jAtA hai ki maiMne isake sAtha pUrvajanma meM kharAba karma kie haiM, usakA yaha phala de rahA hai, to tujhe zAMti aura samatA se usakA niber3A lAnA hai| khuda se zAMti rahatI nahIM aura vApisa dUsarA bIja DAlatA hai tuu| isalie pUrvajanma ke baMdhana kholane kA eka hI rAstA hai, zAMti aura smtaa| usake lie kharAba vicAra bhI nahIM AnA cAhie aura merA hI hisAba bhoga rahA hU~, vaisA honA caahie| yaha jo kara rahA hai, vaha mere pApa ke AdhAra para hI, maiM mere hI pApa bhugata rahA hU~, vaisA laganA cAhie, to chuTakArA hogaa| aura vAstava meM Apake hI karma ke udaya se vaha duHkha detA hai| vaha to nimitta hai| pUrA jagat nimitta hai, duHkha denevAlA, rAste meM sau DaoNlara le lenevAlA, sabhI nimitta haiN| ApakA hI hisAba hai| Apako yaha pahale naMbara kA inAma kahA~ se lagA? inheM kyoM nahIM lagatA? sau DaoNlara le lie, vaha inAma nahIM kahalAtA? __ prArthanA kA mahatva, karma bhugatane meM praznakartA : dAdA, maiM prazna aisA pUcha rahA thA ki jo prArabdha bana

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72 karma kA vijJAna cukA hai, koI bImAra par3anevAlA hai yA kisIkA kucha nukasAna honevAlA hai, to prArthanA se use badala sakate haiM kyA? dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, prArabdha ke bhAga haiN| prArabdha ke prakAra hote haiN| eka prakAra aisA hotA hai ki vaha prArthanA karane se ur3a jAtA hai| dUsarA prakAra aisA hai ki Apa sAdhAraNa puruSArtha karo to ur3a jAtA hai| aura tIsarA prakAra aisA hai ki Apa cAhe jitanA puruSArtha karo, para bhugate binA cArA nahIM hotaa| bahuta gAr3ha hotA hai| to kisI vyakti apane kapar3oM para thUkA, use aise dhone jAe~ aura vaha halkA ho to pAnI DAlane para dhula jAtA hai| bahuta gAr3ha ho to? praznakartA : nahIM nikltaa| dAdAzrI : usI prakAra jo karma gAr3ha hote haiM, unheM nikAcita karma kahA hai| praznakartA : para karma bahuta gAr3ha hoM to prArthanA se bhI kucha farka nahIM par3atA? dAdAzrI : kucha farka nahIM pdd'taa| para prArthanA se usa ghar3I sukha lagatA hai| praznakartA : bhugatane kI zakti milatI hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, yaha Apako jo duHkha AyA hai na, duHkha meM sukha kA bhAga lagatA hai, prArthanA ke kaarnn| para prArthanA raha sake, vaha muzkila hai| ye saMyoga kharAba hoM, aura mana jaba bigar3A huA ho, usa ghar3I prArthanA rahanI muzkila hai| usa ghar3I rahe to bahuta uttama kahalAtA hai| taba dAdA bhagavAna jaise ko yAda karake bulAo ki jo khuda zarIra meM nahIM rahate haiM, zarIra ke mAlika nahIM haiM, unheM yadi yAda karake bulAe~ge to vaha rahegA, nahIM to nahIM rhegaa| praznakartA : varnA una saMyogoM meM prArthanA yAda hI nahIM AegI?

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73 karma kA vijJAna dAdAzrI : yAda hI nahIM aaegii| yAda ko hI ur3A detI hai, bhAna hI ur3a jAtA hai saaraa| devI-devatAoM kI manautI kA baMdhana? praznakartA : kisI bhI devI-devatA kI manautI rakhane se karma baMdhana hotA hai kyA? dAdAzrI : manautI rakhane se karma baMdhana avazya hotA hai| manautI arthAt kyA ki unake pAsa se hamane meharabAnI maaNgii| isalie ve meharabAnI karate bhI haiM, aura Apa usakA badalA dete ho, aura usase hI karma ba~dhate praznakartA : saMta puruSa ke sahavAsa se karma baMdhana chUTate haiM kyA? dAdAzrI : karma baMdhana kama ho jAte haiM aura puNya ke karma ba~dhate haiM, para ve use nukasAna nahIM krte| pApa ke baMdhana nahIM bNdhte| jAgRti, karmabaMdhana ke sAmane.... praznakartA : karma nahIM ba~dhe, usakA upAya kyA hai? dAdAzrI : yaha kahA na, turanta hI bhagavAna se kaha denA yaha, arere! maiMne aise-aise kharAba vicAra kie| aba ye jo Ae haiM ve to, unakA hisAba hogA taba taka raheMge, para mujhe to aisA huA ki 'ye abhI kahA~ se Ae mue!' yaha maiMne hisAba baaNdhaa| usakI kSamA mA~gatA hU~, phira se aisA nahIM kruuNgaa| praznakartA : koI khUna kare aura phira bhagavAna se pachatAvA karake aisA kahe, to karma kisa taraha chUTate haiM? dAdAzrI : hA~, chUTate haiN| khUna karake khuza ho to kharAba karma ba~dhate haiM, aura khUna karake aisA pachatAvA karane se karma halke ho jAte haiN| praznakartA : kucha bhI kare, phira bhI karma to ba~dhA hI na?

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74 karma kA vijJAna dAdAzrI : ba~dhakara chUTatA bhI hai| khUna huA na, vaha karma chUTA hai| usa samaya ba~dhatA kaba hai? mana meM aisA ho ki yaha khUna karanA hI caahie| to vApisa nayA ba~dha gyaa| yaha karma pUrA chUTA yA chUTate samaya pachatAvA kareM na, to chUTa jaaegaa| mArA, vaha bahuta bar3A nukasAna karatA hai| yaha mArA, usase apakIrti hogI, zarIra meM taraha-taraha ke roga utpanna ho jaaeNge| bhugatane pdd'eNge| yahIM ke yahIM bhugatanA hai| nayA gAr3ha karma nahIM bNdhegaa| vaha karmaphala hai, vaha bhugatanA hai| mArA, vaha karma ke udaya se hI mArA, aura mArA matalaba karmaphala bhoganA par3egA, para sacce dila se pachatAvA kare to naye karma DhIle par3a jAte haiN| mArane se nayA karma kaba ba~dhatA hai? ki 'mAranA hI cAhie', vaha nayA krm| rAz2I-khuzI se mAre to gAr3ha karma ba~dhatA hai, aura pachatAve sahita kare to karma DhIle par3a jAte haiN| ullAsa se bA~dhe hue karmoM kA pazcAtApa se nAza hotA hai| eka garIba AdamI ko usake bIvI-bacce parezAna karate hoM ki Apa mAMsa nahIM khilaate| taba kahe, 'paise nahIM hai, kyA khilAU~?' to kahe, 'hiraNa mArakara laao|' taba cupacApa jAkara hiraNa mArakara le AyA aura khilaayaa| aba isakA use doSa lgaa| aura vaisA hI hiraNa, eka rAjA kA beTA thA, vaha zikAra karane gyaa| vaha zikAra karake khuza ho gyaa| aba hiraNa to donoM ne maaraa| isane yaha apane zauka ke lie mArA, jaba ki vaha garIba AdamI khAne ke lie mAratA hai| aba jo khAtA hai, use usakA phala, vaha manuSya meM se jAnavara banatA hai, vaha garIba AdamI! aura rAjA kA beTA zauka ke lie karatA hai, khAtA nahIM hai| sAmanevAle ko mAra detA hai| khuda ke kisI bhI lAbha ke binaa| khuda ko aura koI lAbha nahIM hotA aura bekAra zikAra karake mAra DAlatA hai| isalie usakA phala narkagati AtA hai| karma eka hI prakAra kA parantu bhAva alg-alg| garIba AdamI ko to usake bacce parezAna karate haiM, isalie becArA, aura yaha to zauka ke lie jIvoM ko mAratA hai| zikAra kA zauka hotA hai na! phira vahIM ke vahIM hiraNa par3A rahatA hai, rAjA ko kucha lenA-denA nahIM hotaa| para kyA kahatA hai phira? dekho, ekz2ekTa nizAnA lagAyA aura isa taraha girA diyA use| ye Trephika ke laoNz2a hama nahIM samajheM, to phira Trephika meM mAra hI DAleMge na, Amane sAmane! para

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karma kA vijJAna vaha to AtA hai sabhI ko! 'yaha' Ae aisA nahIM hai, isalie hamAre jaise sikhAnevAle caahie| phA~sI kI sajA kA jaja ko kyA baMdhana? eka jaja mujhe kahate haiM ki, 'sAhaba, Apane mujhe jJAna to de diyA aura aba mujhe vahA~ korTa meM phA~sI kI sajA karanI cAhie yA nahIM?' taba maiMne unheM kahA, 'usakA kyA karoge, phA~sI kI sajA nahIM doge to?' usane kahA, 'lekina dUMgA to mujhe doSa lgegaa|' phira maiMne use tarIkA batAyA ki Apako yaha kahanA hai ki, 'he bhagavAna, mere hisse meM yaha kAma kahA~ se AyA?' aura usakA dila se pratikramaNa krnaa| aura dUsarA, gavarmenTa ke niyama ke anusAra kAma karate jaanaa| praznakartA : kisIko hama duHkha pahu~cAe~ aura phira hama pratikramaNa kara leM, para use bhArI AghAta-Thesa pahu~cI ho to usase hameM karma nahIM ba~dhegA? dAdAzrI : hama usake nAma ke pratikramaNa karate raheM, aura use jitanI mAtrA meM duHkha huA ho, utanI mAtrA meM pratikramaNa karane pdd'eNge| hameM to pratikramaNa karate rahanA hai| dUsarI z2immedArI hamArI nahIM hai| hamezA kisI bhI kArya kA pachatAvA karo, to usa kArya kA phala rupaye meM bAraha Ane taka nAza ho hI jAtA hai| (usa kArya kA phala pacahattara (75) pratizata khatma ho jAtA hai|) phira jalI huI DorI hotI hai na, usake jaisA phala AtA hai| vaha jalI huI DorI AnevAle janma meM basa aise hI kareM, to ur3a jaaegii| koI kriyA yoM hI bekAra to jAtI hI nhiiN| pratikramaNa karane se vaha DorI jala jAtI hai, para Diz2Aina vaisI kI vaisI rahatI hai| aba AnevAle janma meM kyA karanA par3egA? itanA hI kiyA, jhAr3a diyA ki ur3a gii| japa-tapa se karma ba~dhate haiM yA khapate haiM? praznakartA : japa-tapa meM karma ba~dhate haiM yA karma khapate haiM?

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76 karma kA vijJAna dAdAzrI : usameM karma ba~dhate hI haiM na! hara eka bAta meM karma hI ba~dhate haiN| rAta ko so jAe~ to bhI karma ba~dhate haiM, aura ye japa-tapa karate haiM usase to bar3e karma ba~dhate haiN| para ve puNya ke ba~dhate haiN| usase agale janma meM bhautika sukha milate haiN| praznakartA : to karma khapAne ke lie dharma kI zakti kitanI? dAdAzrI : dharma-adharma donoM karma khapA dete haiN| sAMsArika ba~dhe hue karmoM ko, vijJAna ho to turanta hI karmoM kA nAza kara detA hai| vijJAna ho to karmoM kA nAza ho jAtA hai| dharma se puNyakarma ba~dhate haiM, aura adharma se pApakarma ba~dhate haiM, aura AtmajJAna se karmoM kA nAza ho jAtA hai, bhasmIbhUta ho jAte haiN| praznakartA : dharma aura adharma, donoM ko khapAtA ho to use dharma kaise kaha sakate haiM? dAdAzrI : dharma se puNya ke karma ba~dhate haiM aura adharma se pApa ke karma ba~dhate haiN| abhI dhaula mAre taba kyA hogA? koI dhaula mAre to kyA karoge Apa? use do lagA doge na! Dabala karake doge| nukasAna karavAe binA dete haiM, Dabala krke| vaha Apake pApa kA udaya AyA, isalie use dhaula mArane kA mana huaa| Apake karma kA udaya Apako dUsare ke pAsa se dhaula maravAtA hai, mAranevAlA to nimitta bnaa| aba eka dhaula de, to hameM kaha denA hai ki 'khatma huA hisAba apanA, maiM jamA kara letA hU~', aura jamA kara lo| pahale dI thI, vaha vApisa de gyaa| jamA kara denA hai, nayA udhAra nahIM denA hai| pasaMda ho to udhAra denaa| pasaMda hai kyA? nahIM? to use nayA udhAra mata denaa| apane puNya kA udayakarma ho to sAmanevAlA acchA bolatA hai aura pApa kA udayakarma ho to sAmanevAlA gAliyA~ detA hai| usameM kisakA doSa? isalie hama kaheM ki udayakarma merA hI hai aura sAmanevAlA to nimitta hai| aise karane se apane doSa kI nirjarA (Atmapradeza meM se karmoM kA alaga honA) ho jaaegii| aura nayA nahIM bNdhegaa|

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karma kA vijJAna 77 karma-akarma dazA kI sthiti praznakartA : koI bhI galata kAma kareM to karma to ba~dhege hI, aisA maiM mAnatA huuN| dAdAzrI : to acche karma kA baMdhana nahIM hai? praznakartA : acchA aura burA, donoM se karma ba~dhate haiM na! dAdAzrI : are! isa samaya bhI Apa karma bA~dha rahe ho! isa samaya Apa bar3e puNya kA karma bA~dha rahe ho! parantu karma kabhI bhI nahIM ba~dhe, vaisA dina nahIM AtA hai na? usakA kyA kAraNa hogA? praznakartA : koI pravRtti to karate hI hoMge na, acchI yA kharAba? dAdAzrI : hA~, para karma nahIM ba~dhe, aisA rAstA nahIM hogA? bhagavAna mahAvIra kisa prakAra se binA karma bA~dhe mukta hue hoMge? yaha deha haiM to karma to hote hI raheMge! saMDAsa jAnA par3atA hai, sabakucha nahIM karanA par3atA? praznakartA : hA~, para jo karma bA~dhe hoM, unake phala vApisa bhugatane par3ate haiM na! dAdAzrI : karma bA~dhe taba to vApisa agalA janma hue bagaira rahegA nhiiN| yAnI ki karma bA~dhe, to agale janma meM jAnA par3egA! parantu isa janma meM mahAvIra ko agale janma meM nahIM jAnA par3A thA, to koI rAstA to hogA na? karma kareM phira bhI karma nahIM ba~dhe aisA? praznakartA : hogaa| dAdAzrI : Apako aisI icchA hotI hai ki karma nahIM ba~dhe? karma karate hue bhI karma nahIM ba~dhe aisA vijJAna hotA hai| usa vijJAna ko jAno to mukta ho jaao| ____ bAdhaka hai ajJAnatA, nahIM karma re... praznakartA : hamAre karma ke phala ke kAraNa yaha janma milatA hai na?

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78 karma kA vijJAna dAdAzrI : hA~, isa pUrI z2indagI karma ke phala bhugatane haiM ! aura yadi rAga-dveSa kareM to unameM se naye karma khar3e hote haiN| yadi rAga-dveSa na kareM to kucha bhI nhiiN| karma meM harja nahIM, karma to, yaha zarIra hai isalie hoMge hI, para rAgadveSa kareM, usameM harja hai| vItarAga kyA kahate haiM ki vItarAga bno| isa duniyA meM koI bhI kAma karate ho, usameM kAma kI qImata nahIM hai, para usake pIche rAga-dveSa hoM, tabhI agale janma kA hisAba ba~dhatA hai| rAga-dveSa nahIM hote hoM, to z2immedArI nahIM hai| pUrI deha, janma se lekara mRtyu taka anivArya hai| unameM se rAga-dveSa jo hote haiM, utanA hI hisAba ba~dhatA hai| isalie vItarAga kyA kahate haiM ki vItarAga hokara mokSa meM cale jaao| hameM to koI gAliyA~ de to hama samajhate haiM ki yaha aMbAlAla paTela ko gAliyA~ de rahA hai, pudgala ko gAliyA~ de rahA hai| AtmA ko to vaha jAna hI nahIM sakatA, pahacAna hI nahIM sakatA na, isalie 'hama' svIkAra nahIM krte| hameM' sparza hI nahIM karatA, hama vItarAga rahate haiN| hameM usa para rAga-dveSa nahIM hotaa| isalie phira eka avatArI yA do avatArI hokara saba khatama ho jaaegaa| vItarAga itanA hI kahanA cAhate haiM ki karma bAdhaka nahIM haiM, terI ajJAnatA bAdhaka hai! ajJAnatA kisakI? 'maiM kauna hU~' uskii| deha hai taba taka karma to hote hI raheMge, para ajJAna jAe to karma ba~dhane baMda ho jAe~! karma kI nirjarA kaba hotI hai? praznakartA : karma hone kaba rukate haiM? dAdAzrI : 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' usakA anubhava honA caahie| yAnI tU zuddhAtmA ho jAe, usake bAda karmabaMdha rukegaa| karma kI nirjarA hotI rahegI

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karma kA vijJAna aura karma hone ruka jAe~ge! ___ karma nahIM ba~dhe, usakA rAstA kyA hai? svabhAva-bhAva meM A jAnA, vh| 'jJAnI puruSa' khuda ke svarUpa kA bhAna karavAte haiM, phira karma nahIM bNdhte| phira naye karma cArja nahIM hote| purAne karma DiscArja hote rahate haiM aura sabhI karma pUre ho jAe, taba aMta meM mokSa ho jAtA hai! yaha karma kI bAta Apako samajha meM AI isameM! yadi kartA bane to karma ba~dhate haiN| aba karttApana chUTa jAe, taba phira karma nahIM baaNdhegaa| yAnI Apa Aja karma bA~dha rahe ho, para jaba maiM ApakA karttApana chur3avA dUMgA, taba Apako karma nahIM ba~dhege aura jo purAne haiM ve bhugata lenaa| yAnI purAnA hisAba cuka jAegA aura kaoNz2a khar3e nahIM hoNge| sirpha 'iphekTa' hI raheMgI aura phira iphekTa bhI pUrI bhoga lI gaIM ki saMpUrNa mokSa ho gayA! - jaya saccidAnaMda UparI aNahakka ukaraDA mUla gujarAtI zabdoM ke samAnArthI zabda : baoNsa, variSTha mAlika : binA haqa kA : kUr3A-karakaTa pheMkane kA sthAna : bAhara se AnevAle duHkha : Atmapradeza meM se karmoM kA alaga honA : pAza, baMdhana upAdhi nirjarA vaLagaNA pola : ghoTAlA, g2aphalata, aMdhera

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kartAbhAva se karmabaMdhana ! karma kaise baMdhate haiM? maiM kara rahA hU~' yaha karttAbhAva hai| karatA hai koI aura, aura AropaNa karatA hai ki maiMne kiyaa| isa karttAbhAva se karma baMdhate haiN| aba kartA kauna hai' yaha jAnanA par3egA, tAki phira karma nahIM baMdhe aura mukti ho jAe! - dAdAzrI