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with him. You will feel that since it is an everyday event, there will be no end to it. Instead, it would be better if you were to withdraw into your cave,' the Self. Talking with and Correcting the Self in the
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Questioner: You have said, 'I am not a worldly being Gjiva), but I am a liberated being (Shiva)'. But such a separation does not exist.
Dadashri: It does not let go of its nature (bhaav); it will not give up its right, will it? Therefore, you have to coax and persuade it in order for him (the relative-self) to understand and get Your work done. That is because the relative-self (pudgal) is naïve (bhodu) and straightforward. What is the nature of the pudgal? It is naïve and straightforward. Therefore, You can trick it into the right way. Both the worldly being (jiva) and the liberated being (shiva) are separate, are they not? When it comes into jiva bhaav, 'I am Chandulal, it will eat potato chips and everything else, and when it comes into shiva bhaav, 'I am pure Soul,' He will do darshan (be one with the Self within; state of Oneness of the perceiver and the perceived; right belief; right vision of the Self)!
Questioner: But is the mind of the jiva independent?
Dadashri: It is absolutely independent. Have you seen your mind when it becomes confrontational? Hey! If the mind is truly 'my' mind, then how can my mind fight with me? Can you not tell whether or not it is independent when it becomes confrontational?
Before you believed, 'I am a jiva.' That belief is now fractured and now you know that, 'I am shiva.' Jiva will not let go any of its nature and rights. But it may let go of everything if you persuade it. Just as it is affected by bad company (kusang), it will be affected by good company (satsang) too. Therefore, it is so good that it will give up everything if persuaded! Now what you have to do is sit Chandubhai down and talk to him. Tell him, 'At age of sixty-seven you have been attending satsang and everything. You pay good attention to it. You are doing a good job!' Along with that, You also need to make him understand and advise him, "Why do you care so much about the physical body? Whatever happens in the body; let it. Why don't you come over on this side of the table with Me! You will have endless bliss with Me.' You need to say this to Chandubhai. When you seat Chandubhai in front of a mirror, will You or will You not see him exactly as he is?
Questioner: My internal conversation with him continues for hours.
Dadashri: But while you are conversing with others, he also has the other phone, the k's,' the kashays within, that take over. Hence you need to have him sit before a mirror and talk to him loudly, so that he does not answer any other 'lines.'
Questioner: How can I make myself sit in front of the mirror?
Questioner: There is no control over speech and hence there is no control over the mind.
Dadashri: If you seat 'Chandubhai' in front of you and keep scolding him, he will become wise. When you scold him Yourself by saying, 'Chandubhai, how can you do this? What nonsense is this? Do something good now that you have started to.' What is wrong in saying this? Does it feel good having to listen to someone else telling you off? That is why 'we' ask You to scold Chandubhai, otherwise everything continues in ignorance. What this pudgal is saying is "you became a Shuddhatma but what about me?' It is staking its claim; it has a right too. It also
Dadashri: You have no control over that which confronts
you.
