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Integral Yoga
L.M.: It's natural.
S. SATCH: Nobody is physically permanent. We all have to leave the body one day or another. It doesn't matter if I leave the body, I'm going to get a new one. If you think that way, you will be happy to die. Having an old body, and living with pills, and all that.
L.M.: It's not much fun.
S. SATCH: Magnesium, calcium—it's not much fun.
L.M.: Is there some way, say through meditation, that we don't have to be reborn, or reincarnate, into a human body?
S. SATCH: We don't have to. Why do we get the body, first of all? We want to travel somewhere, we get a car. If we don't want to travel anywhere, do we then want a car?
L.M.: It's not necessary.
S. SATCH: If the mind doesn't want to enjoy anything anymore; and the mind is satisfied, it has no desires—there is no need for a body. That is what you call nirvana, desirelessness. Buddha taught about nirvana; nirvana means nakedness. The mind is completely naked. It doesn't want, it doesn't hold onto anything—not even a single desire. So there is nothing left to be fulfilled; if you want to fulfill a desire, then you need a body. All our desires can only be fulfilled through our bodies. Think of a desire which you can fulfill without the body.
L.M.: It's impossible.
S. SATCH: Impossible—you eat something, you need a tongue and mouth; you smell something, you need a nose; you see something, you need eyes; you want to think, you have to have a brain. But when the time comes that you don't want to do anything, you don't need the body anymore. You are liberated.
L.M.: At that point your love is perfected, your love for all beings. Can you now serve in other nonphysical realms?
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