Mrutyu Samaya Pahle Aur Pashchat

Author(s): Dada Bhagwan
Publisher: Mahavideh Foundation
Catalog link: https://jainqq.org/explore/009594/1

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dAdA bhagavAna kathita mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAt... aMtima dinoM meM oNksIjana para... phira bhI mukta hAsya

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dAdA bhagavAna kathita dA bhagavAna kAr prakAzaka: ajIta sI. paTela mahAvideha phAunDezana 'dAdA darzana', 5, mamatApArka sosAiTI, navagujarAta kaoNleja ke pIche, usmAnapurA, ahamadAbAda - 380014, gujarAta phona - (079) 27540408, 27543979 All Rights reserved - Shri Deepakbhai Desai Trimandir, Simandhar City, Ahmedabad-Kalol Highway, Post - Adalaj, Dist.-Gandhinagar-382421, Gujarat, India. mRtyu samaya, pahale aura prathama saMskaraNa : pratiyA~ 3000, pharavarI, 2010 pazcAt... bhAva mUlya : 'parama vinaya' aura 'maiM kucha bhI jAnatA nahIM, yaha bhAva! dravya mUlya : 5 rupaye lez2ara kampoz2a : dAdA bhagavAna phAunDezana, ahamadAbAda mUla gujarAtI saMkalana : DaoN. nIrUbahana amIna hindI anuvAda : mahAtmAgaNa mudraka : mahAvideha phAunDezana (prinTiMga DivIjana), pArzvanAtha caimbarsa, nayI riz2arva baiMka ke pAsa, usmAnapurA, ahamadAbAda-380 014. phona : (079) 27542964, 30004823

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dAdA bhagavAna phAunDezana ke dvArA prakAzita hindI pustakeM trimaMtra 1. jJAnI purUSa kI pahacAna 15. paisoM kA vyavahAra 2. sarva du:khoM se mukti 16. aMta:karaNa kA svarUpa 3. karma kA vijJAna 17. jagata kartA kauna? 4. Atmabodha 18. trimaMtra 5. maiM kauna hU~? 19. bhAvanA se sudhare janmojanma 6. vartamAna tIrthakara zrI sImaMdhara svAmI 20. pati-patnI kA dIvya vyavahAra 7. bhUgate usI kI bhUla 21. mAtA-pitA aura baccoM kA vyavahAra 8. eDajasTa evarIvheyara 22. samajha se prApta brahmacarya 9. TakarAva TAlie 23. AptavANI-1 10. huA so nyAya 24. mAnava dharma 11. ciMtA 25. sevA-paropakAra 12. krodha 26. dAna 13. pratikramaNa 27. mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAt... 14. dAdA bhagavAna kauna? dAdA bhagavAna phAunDezana ke dvArA gujarAtI aura aMgrejI bhASA meM bhI pustakeM prakAzita huI hai| vebasAiTa www.dadabhagwan.org para se bhI Apa ye sabhI pustakeM prApta kara sakate haiN| dAdA bhagavAna phAunDezana ke dvArA hara mahIne hindI, gujarAtI tathA aMgrejI bhASA meM "dAdAvANI" maigez2Ina prakAzita hotA hai|

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AtmajJAna prApti kI pratyakSa liMka dAdA bhagavAna kauna? jUna 1958 kI eka saMdhyA kA karIba cha: baje kA samaya, bhIr3a | se bharA sUrata zahara kA relve sTezana, pleTaphArma naM. 3 kI beMca para baiThe zrI aMbAlAla mUlajIbhAI paTela rUpI dehamaMdira meM kadaratI rUpa se. akrama rUpa meM, kaI janmoM se vyakta hone ke lie Atura 'dAdA bhagavAna' pUrNa rUpa se prakaTa hue| aura kudarata ne sarjita kiyA adhyAtma kA adbhuta aashcry| eka ghaMTe meM unako vizvadarzana huaa| 'maiM kauna? bhagavAna kauna? jagat kauna calAtA hai? karma kyA? mukti kyA?' ityAdi jagat ke sAre AdhyAtmika praznoM ke saMpUrNa rahasya prakaTa hue| isa taraha kudarata ne vizva ke sammukha eka advitIya pUrNa darzana prastuta kiyA aura usake mAdhyama bane zrI aMbAlAla mUlajIbhAI paTela, gujarAta ke carotara kSetra ke bhAdaraNa gA~va ke pATIdAra, kAnTrekTa kA vyavasAya karanevAle, phira bhI pUrNatayA vItarAga puruSa! unheM prApti huI, usI prakAra kevala do hI ghaMToM meM anya mumukSu janoM ko bhI ve AtmajJAna kI prApti karavAte the, unake adbhuta siddha hue jJAnaprayoga se| use akrama mArga khaa| akrama, arthAt binA krama ke, aura krama arthAt sIr3hI dara sIr3hI, kramAnusAra Upara cddh'naa| akrama arthAt liphTa mArga, zaoNrTa kaTa! ve svayaM pratyeka ko 'dAdA bhagavAna kauna?' kA rahasya batAte hue kahate the ki "yaha jo Apako dikhAI dete hai ve dAdA bhagavAna nahIM hai, ve to 'e.ema.paTela' hai| hama jJAnI puruSa haiM aura bhItara prakaTa hue haiM, ve 'dAdA bhagavAna' haiN| dAdA bhagavAna to caudaha loka ke nAtha haiN| ve Apa meM bhI haiM, sabhI meM haiN| ApameM avyakta rUpa meM rahe hue haiM aura 'yahA~' hamAre bhItara saMpUrNa rUpa se vyakta hue haiN| dAdA bhagavAna ko maiM bhI namaskAra karatA huuN|" 'vyApAra meM dharma honA cAhie. dharma meM vyApAra nahIM', isa siddhAMta se unhoMne pUrA jIvana bitaayaa| jIvana meM kabhI bhI unhoMne kisI ke pAsa se paisA nahIM liyA balki apanI kamAI se bhaktoM ko yAtrA karavAte the| 'maiM to kucha logoM ko apane hAthoM siddhi pradAna karanevAlA huuN| pIche anugAmI cAhie ki nahIM cAhie? pIche logoM ko mArga to cAhie na?' - dAdAzrI parama pUjya dAdAzrI gA~va-gA~va, deza-videza paribhramaNa karake mumukSu janoM ko satsaMga aura AtmajJAna kI prApti karavAte the| ApazrI ne apane jIvanakAla meM hI pUjya DaoN. nIrUbahana amIna (nIrUmA~) ko AtmajJAna prApta karavAne kI jJAnasiddhi pradAna kI thiiN| dAdAzrI ke dehavilaya pazcAt nIrUmA~ vaise hI mumukSujanoM ko satsaMga aura AtmajJAna kI prApti, nimitta bhAva se karavA rahI thii| pUjya dIpakabhAI desAI ko dAdAzrI ne satsaMga karane kI siddhi pradAna kI thii| nIrUmA~ kI upasthiti meM hI unake AzIrvAda se pUjya dIpakabhAI deza-videzoM meM kaI jagahoM para jAkara mumukSuoM ko AtmajJAna karavA rahe the, jo nIrUmA~ ke dehavilaya pazcAt Aja bhI jArI hai| isa AtmajJAnaprApti ke bAda haz2AroM mumukSu saMsAra meM rahate hue, jimmedAriyA~ nibhAte hue bhI mukta rahakara AtmaramaNatA kA anubhava karate haiN| graMtha meM mudrita vANI mokSArthI ko mArgadarzana meM atyaMta upayogI siddha hogI, lekina mokSaprApti hetu AtmajJAna prApta karanA z2arUrI hai| akrama mArga ke dvArA AtmajJAna kI prApti kA mArga Aja bhI khulA hai| jaise prajvalita dIpaka hI dUsarA dIpaka prajvalita kara sakatA hai, usI prakAra pratyakSa AtmajJAnI se AtmajJAna prApta kara ke hI svayaM kA AtmA jAgRta ho sakatA hai|

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nivedana AtmavijJAnI zrI aMbAlAla mUlajIbhAI paTela, jinheM loga 'dAdA bhagavAna' ke nAma se bhI jAnate haiM, unake zrImukha se adhyAtma tathA vyavahAra jJAna saMbaMdhI jo vANI nikalI, usako rikaoNrDa kiyA gayA thA / usI vANI kA saMkalana tathA saMpAdana hokara, vaha pustakoM ke rUpa meM prakAzita huii| prastuta pustaka mUla gujarAtI pustaka kA anuvAda hai| jJAnI puruSa saMpUjya dAdA bhagavAna ke zrImukha se adhyAtma tathA vyavahArajJAna saMbaMdhI vibhinna viSayoM para nikalI sarasvatI kA adbhuta saMkalana isa pustaka meM huA hai, jo pAThakoM ke lie varadAnarUpa sAbita hogA / prastuta anuvAda meM yaha vizeSa dhyAna rakhA gayA hai ki vAcaka ko dAdAjI kI hI vANI sunI jA rahI hai, aisA anubhava ho| unakI hindI ke bAre meM unake hI zabda meM kaheM to 'hamArI hindI yAne gujarAtI, hindI aura aMgrejI kA miksacara hai, lekina jaba 'TI' (cAya) banegI, taba acchI banegI / ' jJAnI kI vANI ko hindI bhASA meM yathArtha rUpa se anuvAdita karane kA prayatna kiyA gayA hai kintu dAdAzrI ke AtmajJAna kA sahI Azaya, jyoM kA tyoM to, Apako gujarAtI bhASA meM hI avagata hogaa| mUla gujarAtI zabda jinakA hindI anuvAda upalabdha nahIM hai, ve iTAliksa meM likhe gae haiN| jJAna kI gaharAI meM jAnA ho, jJAna kA marma samajhanA ho, to vaha gujarAtI bhASA sIkhakara, mUla gujarAtI graMtha par3hakara hI saMbhava hai| phira bhI isa viSaya saMbaMdhI ApakA koI bhI prazna ho to Apa pratyakSa satsaMga meM Akara samAdhAna prApta kara sakate haiN| prastuta pustaka meM kaI jagahoM para koSThaka meM darzAe gae zabda yA vAkya parama pUjya dAdAzrI dvArA bole gae vAkyoM ko adhika spaSTatApUrvaka samajhAne ke lie likhe gae haiN| dAdAzrI ke zrImukha se nikale kucha gujarAtI aura aMgrejI zabda jyoM ke tyoM rakhe gae haiN| anuvAda saMbaMdhI kamiyoM ke lie Apase kSamAprArthI haiN| saMpAdakIya mRtyu manuSya ko kitanA jyAdA bhayabhIta karatI hai, kitanA z2yAdA zoka utpanna karavAtI hai aura nire duHkha meM hI DUbokara rakhatI hai| aura hara eka manuSya ko jIvana meM kisI na kisI kI mRtyu kA sAkSI bananA par3atA hai| usa samaya mRtyu ke saMbaMdha meM saikar3oM vicAra uThate haiM ki mRtyu ke svarUpa kI vAstavikatA kyA hogI? lekina usakA rahasya nahIM khulane ke kAraNa vahIM kA vahIM aTaka jAtA hai| isa mRtyu ke rahasyoM ko jAnane ke lie hara koI utsuka hotA hI hai| aura usake bAre meM bahuta kucha sunane yA par3hane meM AtA hai, logoM se bAteM jAnane ko milatI haiN| lekina ve mAtra buddhi kI aTakaleM hI haiN| mRtyu kyA hogI ? mRtyu ke pahale kyA hotA hogA ? mRtyu ke samaya kyA hotA hogA ? mRtyu ke pazcAt kyA hotA hai? mRtyu ke anubhava batAnevAlA kauna? jisakI mRtyu hotI hai, vaha apane anubhava kaha nahIM sktaa| jo janma pAtA hai, vaha apanI pahale kI avasthA sthiti jAnatA nahIM hai| isa taraha janma se pahale aura mRtyu ke bAda kI avasthA koI jAnatA nahIM hai| isalie mRtyu se pahale, mRtyu samaya aura mRtyu ke pazcAt kisa dazA meM se gujaranA par3atA hai, usakA rahasya, rahasya hI raha jAtA hai| dAdAzrI ne apane jJAna meM dekhakara ye sabhI rahasya, jaise haiM vaise, yathArtha rUpa se khulle kie haiM, jo yahA~ saMkalita hue haiN| mRtyu kA rahasya samajha meM Ate hI mRtyu kA bhaya calA jAtA hai| priya svajana kI mRtyu ke samaya hameM kyA karanA cAhie? hamArA sahI farz2a kyA hai? usakI gati kisa prakAra sudhAranI cAhie? priya svajana kI mRtyu ke bAda hameM kyA karanA cAhie? hama kisa samajha se samatA meM raheM? aura jo bhI lokamAnyatAe~ haiM, jaise ki zrAddha, terahI, brahmabhoja,

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AtmahatyA ke kAraNa aura pariNAma kyA haiM? pretayoni kyA hotI hogI? bhatayoni hai? kSetra parivartana ke niyama kyA haiM? bhinna-bhinna gatiyoM kA AdhAra kyA hai? gatiyoM meM se mukti kaise milatI hai? mokSagati prApta karanevAlA AtmA kahA~ jAtA hai? siddhagati kyA hai? ye sabhI bAteM yahA~ spaSTa hotI haiN| dAna, garur3a purANa Adi, unakI satyatA kitanI? maranevAle ko kyA kyA pahu~catA hai? yaha saba karanA cAhie yA nahIM? mRtyu ke bAda kI gati kI sthiti Adi sabhI khulAse yahA~ spaSTa hote haiN| aisI, bhayabhIta karanevAlI mRtyu ke rahasya jaba patA calate haiM, taba manuSya ko aise avasara para usake jIvana kAla ke samaya ke vyavahAra meM aise avasaroM para nizcaya hI sAMtvanA prApta hotI hai| 'jJAnI puruSa' ve, jo deha se, deha kI sabhI avasthAoM se, janma se, mRtyu se alaga hI rahe haiN| unake niraMtara jJAtA-dRSTA rahate haiM, aura ajanma-amara AtmA kI anubhava dazA meM baratate haiM ve! jIvana se parva kI, jIvana ke pazcAt kI aura deha kI aMtima avasthA meM ajanma-amara, aise AtmA kI sthiti kI haqIqata kyA hai, yaha jJAnI puruSa jJAna dRSTi se khullamakhullA kaha dete haiN| Atma-svarUpa aura ahaMkAra-svarUpa kI sUkSma samajha jJAnI ke sivAya koI nahIM samajhA sktaa| mRtyu ke bAda phira se maranA nahIM par3e, phira se janma nahIM lenA par3e, usa dazA ko prApta karane saMbaMdhI sabhI spaSTatAe~, yahA~ sUkSma rUpa se saMkalita huI haiM, jo pAThaka ko saMsAra vyavahAra aura adhyAtmika pragati ke lie hitakArI hokara rheNgii| - DaoN. nIrubahana amIna ke jaya saccidAnaMda AtmA to sadaiva janma-mRtyu se pare hI hai, vaha to kevalajJAna svarUpa hI hai| kevala jJAtA-dRSTA hI hai| janma-mRtyu AtmA ko haiM hI nhiiN| phira bhI buddhi se janma-mRtyu kI paraMparA kA sarjana hotA hai, jo manuSya ke anubhava meM AtA hai| taba svAbhAvika rUpa se mUla prazna sAmane AtA hai ki janma-mRtyu kisa prakAra hote haiM? usa samaya AtmA aura sAtha-sAtha kyA-kyA vastue~ hotI hai? una sabhI kA kyA hotA hai? punarjanma kisa kA hotA hai? kaise hotA hai? AvAgamana kisa kA hai? kArya meM se kAraNa aura kAraNa meM se kArya kI paraMparA kA sarjana kaise hotA hai? vaha kaise ruka sakatA hai? AyuSya ke baMdha kisa prakAra par3ate haiM? AyuSya kisa AdhAra para nizcita hotA hai? aise sanAtana praznoM kI sacoTa-samAdhAnakArI, vaijJAnika samajha jJAnI puruSa ke sivAya kauna de sakatA hai? aura usase bhI Age, gatiyoM meM praveza ke kAnUna kyA hoMge?

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mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAt... jo bainka bailensa thA. vaha z2abta ho gayA, bacce jabtI meM gae, baMgalA z2abtI meM gyaa| phira ye kapar3e jo nAma para rahe haiM, ve bhI jabtI meM gae! sabakucha jabtI meM gyaa| taba kahatA hai 'sAhaba, aba mujhe vahA~ sAtha kyA le jAne kA?' taba kahe 'logoM ke sAtha jo gutthiyA~ ulajhAI thIM, utanI le jAo!' isalie ye nAmavAlA saba z2abtI meM jAnevAlA hai| isalie hameM apane khuda ke lie kucha karanA cAhie na? nahIM karanA cAhie? bhejo, agale janma kI gaThariyA~ mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAta... mukti , janma-maraNa se praznakartA : janma-maraNa ke jhaMjhaTa meM se kaise chUTeM? dAdAzrI : bahuta acchA puuchaa| kyA nAma hai ApakA? praznakartA : cnduubhaaii| dAdAzrI : saca meM candUbhAI ho? praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : candUbhAI to ApakA nAma hai, nahIM? praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : taba Apa kauna haiM? ApakA nAma candUbhAI hai, yaha to hama sabako kabUla hai, magara Apa kauna ho? praznakartA : isIlie to AyA huuN| dAdAzrI : vaha jAna leM, taba janma-maraNa kA jhaMjhaTa chuutte| abhI to mUla usa candUbhAI ke nAma para hI yaha saba calatA rahA hai na? sabhI candUbhAI ke nAma para?! are, dhokhA ho jAegA yaha to? Apa para thor3A to rakhanA thA na? arathI matalaba kudarata kI z2abtI! kaisI z2abtI? taba kaheM, nAmavAlA jo hamAre riztedAra nahIM hoM, aise dUsare logoM ko kucha sukha diyA ho, pherA lagAkara, dUsarA kucha bhI unheM diyA ho to vaha 'vahA~' phuNcegaa| riztedAra nahIM, parantu dUsare logoM ke lie| phira yahA~ logoM ko davAIyoM kA dAna diyA ho, auSadhadAna, dUsarA AhAradAna diyA ho, phira jJAnadAna diyA ho aura abhayadAna vaha saba diyA ho, to vaha vahA~ saba aaegaa| inameM se kucha dete ho yA aisA hI saba? khA jAte ho? agara sAtha le jA sakate to yahA~ to aise bhI haiM ki tIna lAkha kA karja karake jAe~! dhanya haiM na! jagat hI aisA hai, isalie nahIM le jA pAte, yahI acchA hai| mAyA kI karAmAta janma mAyA karavAtI hai, zAdI mAyA karavAtI hai aura mRtyu bhI mAyA karavAtI hai| pasaMda ho yA nApasaMda ho, lekina chuTakArA nahIM hai| para itanI zarta hotI hai ki mAyA kA sAmrAjya nahIM hai| mAlika Apa ho| arthAt ApakI icchA ke anusAra huA hai| pichale janma kI ApakI jo icchA thI. usakA hisAba nikalA aura usake anusAra mAyA calAtI hai| phira aba zora macAe~ to nahIM cltaa| hamane hI mAyA se kahA thA ki yaha merA lekhA-jokhA hai|

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mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAt... mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAt... hai| Apako yaha candUlAla, vaha maiM hI hU~, aisA zata-pratizata vizvAsa hai na?' z2indagI eka kaida praznakartA : Apake hisAba se z2indagI kyA hai? dAdAzrI : mere hisAba se z2indagI, vaha jela hai, jela! ve cAra prakAra kI jeleM haiN| pahalI naz2arakaida hai| devaloga najarakaida meM haiN| ye manuSya sAdI kaida meM haiN| jAnavara kar3I maz2adUrIvAlI kaida meM haiM aura narka ke jIva umarakaida meM haiN| janma-samaya se hI cale ArI yaha zarIra bhI hara kSaNa mara rahA hai, para logoM ko kyA, kucha patA hai? para apane loga to, lakar3I ke do Tukar3e ho jAe~ aura nIce gira par3eM, taba kaheMge, 'kaTa gayA' are, yaha kaTa hI rahA thA, yaha ArI cala hI rahI thii| mRtyu kA bhaya yaha niraMtara bhayavAlA jagat hai| eka kSaNabhara ke lie bhI nirbhayatAvAlA yaha jagat nahIM hai aura jitanI nirbhayatA lagatI hai, utanA usakI mUrchA meM hai jIva / khulI A~khoM se so rahe haiM, isalie yaha saba cala rahA hai| praznakartA : aisA kahA jAtA hai ki AtmA maratA nahIM hai, vaha to jItA hI rahatA hai| dAdAzrI : AtmA maratA hI nahIM hai, para jaba taka Apa AtmasvarUpa hue nahIM, taba taka Apako bhaya lagatA rahatA hai na? marane kA bhaya lagatA hai na? vaha to abhI zarIra meM kucha darda ho na, taba 'chUTa jAU~gA, mara jAU~gA' aisA bhaya lagatA hai| deha kI dRSTi nahIM ho, to khuda mara nahIM jAtA hai| yaha to 'maiM hI hU~ yaha, yahI maiM hU~' aisA Apako zata-pratizata yamarAja yA niyamarAja? isa hindustAna ke sAre vahama mujhe nikAla dene haiN| sArA deza becArA vahama meM hI khatma ho gayA hai| isalie yamarAja nAmaka jaMtu nahIM hai, aisA maiM gAranTI ke sAtha kahatA huuN| taba koI pUche, 'para kyA hogA? kucha to hogA na?' taba maiMne kahA, 'niyamarAja hai|' isalie yaha maiM dekhakara kahatA huuN| maiM kucha par3hA huA nahIM boltaa| yaha mere darzana se dekhakara, ina A~khoM se nahIM, merA jo darzana hai, usase maiM dekhakara yaha saba kahatA huuN| mRtyu ke bAda kyA? praznakartA : mRtyu ke bAda kauna sI gati hogI? dAdAzrI : sArI z2indagI jo kArya kie hoM ve, sArI z2indagI jo dhaMdhe calAe hoM-kie hoM yahA~ para, unakA hisAba marate samaya nikalatA hai| marate samaya eka ghaMTA pahale lekhA-jokhA sAmane AtA hai| yahA~ para jo binA haqa kA saba ur3AyA ho, paise chIne hoM, aurateM chInI hoM, binA haqa kA saba le lete haiM buddhi se, cAhe kisI bhI prakAra se chIna lete haiN| una sabhI kI phira jAnavara gati hotI hai aura yadi sArA jIvana sajjanatA rakhI ho to manuSya gati hotI hai| maraNoparAMta cAra prakAra kI hI gatiyA~ huA karatI haiN| jo sAre gA~va kI fasala jalA de, apane svArtha ke lie, aise hote haiM na yahA~? unheM aMta meM narkagati milatI hai| apakAra ke sAmane bhI upakAra karate haiM, aise loga suparahyumana hote haiM, ve phira devagati meM jAte haiN| yoga upayoga paropakArAya mana-vacana-kAyA aura AtmA kA upayoga logoM ke lie kr| tere

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mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAta.. mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAt... yAda rahe to kyA hogA? dAdAzrI : vaha kise yAda AtA hai ki jise marate samaya z2arAsA bhI du:kha nahIM par3A ho aura yahA~ acche AcAra-vicAravAlA ho, taba use yAda AtA hai| kyoMki vaha mAtA ke garbha meM to apAra du:kha hotA hai| ye du:kha ke alavA dUsarA bhI duHkha hotA hai mRtyu hui hai usakA bhI, ye donoM hote haiN| isalie phira vaha bebhAna ho jAtA hai du:kha ke kAraNa, isalie yAda nahIM rahatA hai| aMtima pala meM gaThariyA~ sameTa na... lie karegA to khiranI kA (per3a kA nAma) janma milegaa| phira pA~ca sau sAla taka bhogate hI rhnaa| phira tere phala loga khAe~ge, lakar3iyA~ jlaaeNge| phira logoM dvArA tU kaidI kI taraha kAma meM liyA jaaegaa| isalie bhagavAna kahate haiM ki tere mana-vacana-kAyA aura AtmA kA upayoga dUsaroM ke lie kara, phira tujhe koI bhI duHkha Ae to mujhe khnaa| aura kahA~ jAte haiM? praznakartA : deha chUTane ke bAda vApasa Ane kA rahatA hai kyA? dAdAzrI : dUsare kahIM jAnA hI nahIM hai| yahIM ke yahIM, apane pAsa-paDosa meM jo baila-gAya baMdhate haiM. katte jo naz2adIka meM rahate haiM na. apane hAthoM hI khAte-pIte haiM, apane sAmane hI dekhate rahate haiM, hameM pahacAnate haiM, ve hamAre mAmA haiM, cAcA haiM, phUphA hai, saba vahI ke vahI, yahIM ke yahIM hI haiN| isalie mAranA mata unheN| khAnA khilaanaa| Apake hI naz2adIka ke haiN| Apako cATane phirate haiM, baila bhI cATate haiN| riTarna TikaTa! praznakartA : gAya-bhaiMsoM kA janma bIca meM kyoM milatA hai? dAdAzrI : ye to anaMta janmoM, ye loga sabhI Ae haiM, ve gAyoMbhaiMsoM meM se hI Ae haiN| aura yahA~ se jo jAnevAle haiM, unameM se paMdraha pratizata ko chor3akara bAkI saba vahA~ kI hI TikaTa lekara Ae haiN| kauna-kauna vahA~ kI TikaTa lekara Ae haiM? ki jo milAvaTa karate haiM, jo binA haqa kA chIna lete haiM, binA haqa kA bhogate haiM, binA haqa kA AyA, vahA~ jAnavara kA avatAra milanevAlA hai| pichale janmoM kI vismRti praznakartA : hameM pichale janma kA yAda kyoM nahIM rahatA aura yadi eka assI sAla ke cAcA the, unheM aspatAla meM bhartI kiyA thaa| maiM jAnatA thA ki ye do-cAra dina meM jAnevAle haiM yahA~ se. phira bhI majhe kahate haiM ki 've candUlAla to hameM yahA~ milane bhI nahIM aate|' hamane batAyA ki 'candUlAla to A ge|' taba kahate ki 'usa nagInadAsa kA kyA?' bistara meM par3e-par3e noMdha karate rahate ki kauna-kauna milane AtA hai| are, apane zarIra kA dhyAna rakha na ! ye do-cAra dinoM meM to jAnevAlA hai| pahale tU apanI gaThariyA~ sNbhaal| terI yahA~ se le jAne kI gaTharI to jamA kr| yaha nagInadAsa nahIM AyA to usakA kyA karanA hai? bukhAra AyA aura Tappa bUr3he cAcA bImAra hoM aura Apane DaoNkTara ko bulAyA, sabhI ilAja karavAyA, phira bhI cala bse| phira zoka pradarzita karanevAle hote haiM na, ve AzvAsana dene Ate haiN| phira pachate haiM, 'kyA ho gayA thA cAcA ko?' taba Apa kaho ki asala meM maleriyA jaisA lagatA thA, para phira DaoNkTara ne batAyA ki yaha to jarA phlU jaisA hai!' ve par3eMge ki kisa DaoNkTara ko bulAyA thA? Apa kaho ki phalA~ ko| taba kaheMge, 'ApameM akkala nahIM hai| usa DaoNkTara ko bulAne kI z2arUrata thii|' phira dUsarA Akara Apako

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mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAt... mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAt... DA~TegA, 'aisA karanA cAhie na ! aisI bevakUphI kI bAta karate ho?' yAnI sArA dina loga DA~Tate hI rahate haiM ! isalie ye loga to ulaTe car3ha baiThate haiM, ApakI saralatA kA lAbha uThAte haiN| isalie maiM Apako samajhAtA hU~ ki loga jaba dUsare dina pUchane Ae~ to Apako kyA kahanA cAhie ki bhAI, cAcA ko z2arA buqhAra AyA aura Tappa ho gae, aura kucha huA nahIM thaa|' sAmanevAlA pUche utanA hI jvaab| hameM samajha lenA cAhie ki vistAra se kahane jAeMge to jhaMjhaTa hogii| usake bajAya to. rAta ko buqhAra AyA aura subaha Tappa ho gae, kaheM to phira koI jhaMjhaTa hI nahIM na! svajana kI aMtima samaya meM dekhabhAla praznakartA : kisI svajana kA aMtakAla naz2adIka AyA ho to usake prati Asa-pAsa ke sage-saMbaMdhiyoM kA baratAva kaisA honA cAhie? dAdAzrI : jinakA aMtakAla naz2adIka AyA ho, unheM to bahuta acchI taraha sa~bhAlanA caahie| unakA hara eka zabda sa~bhAlanA caahie| use nArAz2a nahIM karanA caahie| sabhI ko unheM khuza rakhanA cAhie aura ve ulaTA boleM taba bhI Apako svIkAra karanA cAhie ki 'ApakA sahI haiM!' ve kaheMge, 'dUdha lAo' taba turanta dUdha lAkara de deN| taba ve kaheM 'yaha to pAnIvAlA hai, dUsarA lA do!' taba turanta dUsarA dUdha garama karake le aaeN| phira kaheM ki 'yaha zuddha-acchA hai|' parantu unheM anukUla rahe aisA karanA cAhie, aisA saba bolanA caahie| praznakartA : arthAt usameM khare-khoTe kA jhaMjhaTa nahIM karanA hai? dAdAzrI : yaha kharA-khoTA to isa duniyA meM hotA hI nahIM hai| unheM pasaMda AyA ki basa, usake anusAra saba karate rheN| unheM anukUla rahe usa prakAra se baratAva kreN| vo choTe bacce ke sAtha hama kisa prakAra kA baratAva karate haiM? baccA kA~ca kA gilAsa phor3a DAle to hama use DA~Tate haiM? do sAla kA baccA ho, use kucha kahate haiM ki kyoM phor3a DAlA yA aisA-vaisA? bacce ke sAtha vyavahAra karate haiM, usI prakAra unake sAtha vyavahAra karanA caahie| aMtima pala meM dharmadhyAna praznakartA : aMtima ghaMToM meM amuka lAmAoM ko kucha kriyAe~ karavAte haiN| jaba mRtyu-zayyA para manuSya hotA hai, taba tibbatI lAmAoM meM, aisA kahA jAtA hai ki ve loga usakI AtmA se kahate haiM ki tU isa prakAra jA athavA to apane meM jo gItA-pATha karavAte haiM, yA apane meM acche zabda kucha use sunAte haiN| usase una para kucha aMtima ghaMToM meM asara hotA hai kyA? dAdAzrI : kucha hotA nhiiN| bAraha mahInoM ke bahIkhAte Apa likhate ho, taba dhanaterasa se Apa bar3I muzkila se naphA karo aura ghATA nikAla do to calegA? praznakartA : nahIM clegaa| dAdAzrI : kyoM aisA? praznakartA : vaha to sAre varSa kA hI AtA hai na! dAdAzrI : usI prakAra vaha sArI z2indagI kA lekhA-jokhA AtA hai| ye to, loga Thagate haiN| logoM ko mUrkha banAte haiN| praznakartA : dAdAjI, manuSya kI aMtima avasthA ho, jAgrata avasthA ho, aba usa samaya koI use gItA kA pATha sunAe athavA kisI dUsare zAstra kI bAta sunAe, use kAnoM meM kucha kahe... dAdAzrI : vaha khuda kahatA ho to, usakI icchA ho to sunAnA caahie|

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mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAt... mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAt... marsI kiliMga praznakartA : jo bhArI pIr3A sahatA ho use pIr3A sahane deM, aura yadi use mAra DAleM to phira usakA agale janma meM pIr3A sahanA zeSa rahegA, yaha bAta ThIka nahIM lgtii| vaha bhArI pIr3A sahatA ho to usakA aMta lAnA hI cAhie, usameM kyA galata hai? dAdAzrI : aisA kisI ko adhikAra hI nahIM hai| hameM ilAja karavAne kA adhikAra hai, sevA karane kA adhikAra hai, parantu kisI ko mArane kA adhikAra hI nahIM hai| praznakartA : to usameM hamArA kyA bhalA huA? dAdAzrI : to mArane se kyA bhalA huA? Apa usa pIr3Agrasta ko mAra DAlo to ApakA manuSyatva calA jAtA hai aura vaha tarIkA mAnavatA ke siddhAMta ke bAhara hai, mAnavatA ke viruddha hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, aisaa| yaha to nahIM chor3a gayA usakA ronA hai| 'maratA gayA aura mAratA gayA' aisA bhI aMdara-aMdara bolate haiM! 'kacha chor3A nahIM aura hameM mAratA gayA!' aba vaha nahIM chor3a gayA, usameM usa strI kA nasIba kaccA isalie nahIM chodd'aa| para maranevAle ko gAliyA~ khAne kA likhA thA, isIlie khAI na! itanI-itanI sunAte haiM! hamAre loga jo smazAna jAte hoMge, ve vApasa nahIM Ate na, yA sabhI vApasa Ate haiM? arthAt yaha to eka taraha kA fajItA hai| roe~ to bhI duHkha aura nahIM roe~ to bhI du:kh| bahuta roe~, to loga kaheMge ki 'logoM ke yahA~ nahIM marate, jo itanA ro rahe ho? kaise, ghanacakkara ho yA kyA?' aura nahIM roe~, taba kaheMge ki Apa patthara se ho, hRdaya patthara jaisA hai tumhArA!' arthAt kisa ora jAnA vahI samasyA hai! saba rIti anusAra honA cAhie, aisA kheNge| vahA~ smazAna meM jalAeMge bhI aura sAtha meM pAsa ke hoTala meM baiThakara cAya-nAztA bhI kareMge, aise nAztA karate haiM na loga? sAtha, smazAna taka hI yaha takiyA hotA hai, usakA khola badalatA rahatA hai, lekina takiyA to vahI kA vhii| khola phaTa jAtA hai aura badalatA rahatA hai, vaise hI yaha khola bhI badalatA rahatA hai| bAkI yaha jagat sArA polampola hai| phira bhI vyavahAra se nahIM boleM to sAmanevAle ke mana ko da:kha hogaa| para smazAna meM sAtha jAkara vahA~ citA meM koI girA nhiiN| ghara ke sabhI loga vApasa Ate haiN| sabhI sayAne-samajhadAra haiN| usakI mA~ ho, vaha bhI rotI-rotI vApasa AtI hai| praznakartA : nAztA lekara hI jAte haiM na! dAdAzrI : aisA! kyA bAta karate ho? isalie, aisA hai yaha jagat to sArA! aise jagat meM kisa taraha rAsa Ae? 'Ane-jAne' kA saMbaMdha rakhate haiM, para sira para nahIM lete| Apa lete ho sira para aba? sira para lete ho? patnI kA yA anya kisI kA bhI nahIM? praznakartA : nhiiN| dAdAzrI : kyA bAta karate ho?! aura ve to patnI ko bagala meM rakhakara biThAte rahate haiN| kaheMge ki tere binA mujhe acchA nahIM lgtaa| para smazAna meM koI sAtha AtA nhiiN| AtA hai koI? praznakartA : phira usake nAma se chAtI kUTate haiM ki pIche kucha chor3akara nahIM gae, aura do lAkha chor3a gae hoM, to kucha bolate nhiiN|

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mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAta.. mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAt... mRtyutithi ke samaya praznakartA : parivAra meM kisI kI tithi Ae, to usa dina parivArajanoM ko kyA karanA cAhie? dAdAzrI : bhagavAna se prArthanA karanI cAhie ki usakA bhalA ho| phira ThikAnA milatA nahIM praznakartA : kisI kA avasAna ho, to hameM jAnanA ho ki vaha vyakti aba kahA~ hai, to vaha kaise patA cale? kucha bAdhAe~ AtI hoM, vaha hameM pUcho, ve hama Apako dUra kara deNge| praznakartA : mere beTe kA durghaTanA meM nidhana huA hai, to usa durghaTanA kA kAraNa kyA hogA? dAdAzrI : isa saMsAra meM jo saba A~khoM se dikhAI detA hai, kAna se sunane meM AtA hai, vaha saba 'rileTiva karekTa' (vyavahAra satya) hai,... bilakula satya nahIM hai vaha bAta! yaha zarIra bhI hamArA nahIM hai, to beTA hamArA kaise ho sakatA hai? yaha to vyavahAra se, loka-vyavahAra se apanA beTA mAnA jAtA hai, vAstava meM vaha apanA beTA hotA nahIM hai| vAstava meM to yaha zarIra bhI hamArA nahIM hai| isalie, jo hamAre pAsa rahe utanA hI apanA aura dUsarA sabhI parAyA hai! isalie beTe ko apanA beTA mAnate raheM, to upAdhI hogI aura azAMti rahegI! vaha beTA aba gayA, khudA kI aisI hI marjI hai, to use aba 'leTa go' kara lo| dAdAzrI : vaha to amuka jJAna ke binA dikhatA nahIM na! amuka jJAna cAhie usake lie| aura jAnakara bhI usakA koI artha nahIM hai| para hama bhAvanA kareM to pahu~catI avazya hai bhaavnaa| hama yAda kareM, bhAvanA kareM to pahu~catI hai| vaha to, jJAna ke binA dUsarA kucha patA nahIM calatA na ! tujhe kisI vyakti kA patA lagAnA hai? koI gayA hai terA sagAsaMbaMdhI? praznakartA : merA sagA bhAI hI abhI eksapAyara ho gayA? dAdAzrI : to vaha tujhe yAda nahIM karatA aura tU yAda kiyA karatA hai? yaha eksapAyara honA, usakA matalaba kyA hai, samajhatA hai? bahIkhAte kA hisAba pUrA honA, vh| isalie hameM kyA karanA hai? hameM bahuta yAda Ae vaha, to vItarAga bhagavAna se kahanA ki use zAMti diijie| yAda AtA hai, isalie use zAMti mile aisA khnaa| dUsarA kyA hamase ho sakatA hai? allAha kI amAnata Apako jo kucha pUchanA ho puucho| allAha ke vahA~ pahu~cane meM jo praznakartA : vaha to ThIka hai, allAha kI amAnata apane pAsa thI, vaha le lI! dAdAzrI : hA~, bs| yaha sArA bAg2a hI allAha kA hai| praznakartA : isa prakAra jo usakI mRtyu huI, ve apane kukarma hoMge? dAdAzrI : hA~, lar3ake ke bhI kukarma aura Apake bhI kukarma, acche karma hoM, to usakA badalA acchA milatA hai| pahu~ceM mAtra bhAva ke spaMdana bacce mara gae phira, unake pIche unakI ciMtA karane se unheM du:kha hotA hai| apane loga ajJAnatA ke kAraNa aisA saba karate haiN| isalie Apako jaisA hai vaisA samajhakara, zAMtipUrvaka rahanA caahie| bekAra mAthApaccI

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mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAt. kareM, usakA artha kyA hai ? sabhI jagaha, koI aise haiM hI nahIM jinake bacce mare nahIM hoM! ye to sAMsArika RNAnubaMdha haiM, hisAba lena-dena ke haiN| hamAre bhI beTA-beTI the, para ve mara ge| mehamAna AyA thA, vaha mehamAna calA gyaa| vaha apanA sAmAna hI kahA~ hai? hameM bhI nahIM jAnA kyA? hameM bhI jAnA hai vahA~, yaha kyA tUfAna phira ? isalie jo jIvita haiM, unheM zAMti do| gayA vaha to gayA, use yAda karanA chor3a do| yahA~ jIvita hoM, jitane Azrita hoM unheM zAMti deM, utanA apanA farz2a yaha to gae hue ko yAda karate haiM aura inheM zAMti nahIM de sakate haiN| yaha kaisA ? ataH farz2a cUka jAte ho sAre / Apako aisA lagatA hai kyA ? gayA vaha to gayA / jeba meM se lAkha rupaye gira gae aura vApasa nahIM mile to hameM kyA karanA cAhie? sira phor3anA cAhie? apane hAtha kA khela nahIM hai yaha aura usa becAre ko vahA~ duHkha hotA hai| hama yahA~ du:khI hote haiM, usakA asara use vahA~ pahu~catA hai| to use bhI sukhI nahIM hone dete aura hama bhI sukhI nahIM hote| isalie zAstrakAroM ne kahA hai ki 'jAne ke bAda upAdhI mata krnaa|' isalie hamAre logoM ne kyA kiyA ki 'garur3a purANa biThAo, phalA~ biThAo, pUjA karo, aura mana meM se nikAla do|' Apane aisA kucha biThAyA thA? phira bhI bhUla gae, nahIM? praznakartA: para vaha bhulAyA nahIM jaataa| bApa-beTe ke bIca vyavahAra itanA acchA cala rahA thA / isalie vaha bhulAyA jAe aisA nahIM hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, bhUla sakeM aisA nahIM hai, magara hama nahIM bhUleM to usakA hameM duHkha hotA hai aura use vahA~ duHkha hotA hai| isa taraha apane mana meM usake lie duHkha manAnA, vaha pitA ke taura para apane lie kAma kA nahIM hai| praznakartA: use kisa prakAra duHkha hotA hai? mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAt... dAdAzrI : hama yahA~ duHkhI hoM, usakA asara vahA~ pahu~ce bagaira rahatA nhiiN| isa jagat meM to saba phona jaisA hai, TelIviz2ana jaisA hai yaha saMsAra! aura hama yahA~ upAdhI kareM to vaha vApasa AnevAlA hai? praznakartA naa| dAdAzrI : kisI bhI rAste AnevAlA nahIM hai? praznakartA: nA! dAdAzrI : to phira upAdhI kareM, to use pahu~catI hai aura usake nAma para hama dharma-bhakti kareM, to bhI use hamArI bhAvanA pahu~catI hai aura use zAMti hotI hai| use zAMti pahu~cAne kI bAta Apako kaisI lagatI hai ? aura use zAMti mile yaha ApakA farz2a hai na? isalie aisA kucha karo na ki use acchA lage / eka dina skUla ke baccoM ko z2arA per3e khilAe~, aisA kucha karo / 14 isalie jaba Apake beTe kI yAda Ae, taba usakI AtmA kA kalyANa ho aisA bolanA / 'kRpAludeva' kA nAma loge, 'dAdA bhagavAna' kahoge to bhI kAma hogaa| kyoMki 'dAdA bhagavAna' aura 'kRpAludeva' Atma svarUpa meM eka hI hai| deha se alaga dikhate haiM, A~khoM se alaga dikhate haiM, parantu vastutaH eka hI haiN| yAnI mahAvIra bhagavAna kA nAma loge to bhI eka hI bAta hai / usakI AtmA kA kalyANa ho utanI hI hameM niraMtara bhAvanA karanI hai| hama usake sAtha niraMtara rahe, sAtha meM khAyApIyA, isalie usakA kalyANa kaise ho aisI bhAvanA karanI caahie| hama parAyoM ke lie acchI bhAvanA karate haiM, to yaha to apane svajana ke lie kyA nahIM kareM? rote haiM, sva ke lie yA jAnevAle ke lie? praznakartA : hamAre logoM ko pUrvajanma kI samajha hai, phira bhI ghara

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mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAt... mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAt... meM koI mara jAe, usa samaya apane loga rote kyoM hai? dAdAzrI : ve to apane-apane svArtha ke lie rote haiN| bahuta naz2adIkI riztedAra hoM, to vaha saca meM rote haiM, para dUsare sabhI jo saca meM rote haiM na, ve to apane riztedAroM ko yAda karake rote haiN| yaha bhI Azcarya hai na! ye loga bhUtakAla ko vartamAnakAla meM lAte haiN| ina bhAratIyoM ko bhI dhanya hai na! bhUtakAla ko vartamAnakAla meM lAte haiM aura vaha prayoga hameM dikhAte haiM! pariNAma kalpAMta ke yaha eka kalpAMta kiyA to 'kalpa' ke aMta taka bhaTakane kA ho jAtA hai, eka pUre kalpa ke aMta taka bhaTakane kA huA yh| vaha 'lIkeja' nahIM karate praznakartA : narasiMha mehatA ne, unakI patnI kI mRtyu huI taba ' bhalu thayuM bhAMgI jaMjALa' (bhalA huA chUTA jaMjAla) bola uThe, to vaha kyA kahalAegA? dAdAzrI : para ve bAvale hokara bola uThe ki 'bhalu thayuM bhAMgI jNjaal'| yaha bAta mana meM rakhane kI hotI hai ki 'jaMjAla chaTa gyaa|' vaha mana meM se 'lIkeja' nahIM honA caahie| para yaha to mana meM se 'lIkeja' hokara bAhara nikala gyaa| mana meM rakhane kI cIz2a jAhira kara deM, to ve bAvale manuSya kahalAte haiN| jJAnI hote haiM bahuta vivekI aura 'jJAnI' bAvale nahIM hote| jJAnI bahuta samajhadAra hote haiN| mana meM sabakucha hotA hai ki 'bhalA huA chUTA jaMjAla' para bAhara kyA kahate haiM? arere, bahuta burA huaa| yaha to maiM akelA aba kyA karU~gA?! aisA bhI kahate haiN| nATaka karate haiN| yaha jagat to svayaM nATaka hI hai| isalie aMdara jAno ki 'bhalA huA chUTA jaMjAla' para viveka meM rahanA caahie| 'bhalA huA chUTA jaMjAla, sukha se bhajeMge zrI gopAla' aisA nahIM bolte| aisA aviveka to koI bAharavAlA bhI nahIM krtaa| duzmana ho, phira bhI viveka se baiThatA hai, mu~ha zokavAlA karake baiThatA hai! hameM zoka yA aura kucha nahIM hotA, phira bhI bAtharuma meM jAkara pAnI lagAkara, Akara ArAma se baiThate haiN| yaha abhinaya hai| dI varlDa iz2a dI DrAmA iTaselpha, (saMsAra svayaM eka nATaka haiM) Apako nATaka hI karanA hai kevala, abhinaya hI karanA hai. lekina abhinaya 'sinsiyaralI' karanA hai| jIva bhaTake teraha dina? praznakartA : mRtyu ke bAda teraha dina kA resTahAusa hotA hai, aisA kahA jAtA hai? dAdAzrI : teraha dina kA to ina brAhmaNoM ko hotA hai| maranevAle ko kyA? vaha brAhmaNa aisA kahate haiM ki resTahAusa hai| ye ghara ke Upara baiThA rahegA, a~gUThe jitanA, aura dekhatA rhegaa| are, mue, dekhatA kisa lie rahatA hai? para dekho unakA tUfAna, dekho tUfAna ! itanA a~gUThe jitanA hI hai, kahate haiM, aura khaparaila para baiThA rahatA hai| aura apane loga saca mAnate haiM, aura aisA saca na mAneM, to terahI karate nahIM ye log| nahIM to ye loga terahI Adi kucha bhI nahIM krte| praznakartA : garur3a purANa meM likhA hai ki aMgUThe jitanA hI AtmA dAdAzrI : hA~, usakA nAma hI garur3a purANa hai na! purANA (purAnA) kahalAtA hai| aMgUThe jitanA AtmA, isalie prApti hI nahIM hotI na, dina hI nahIM phirate! evarI De phrAyaDe! karane gae sAinTiphika, hetu sAinTiphika thA, para thinkiMga saba bigar3a gii| ye loga usa nAma para kriyAe~ karate

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mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAta.. mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAt... aura kriyAe~ kareM usase pahale brAhmaNa ko dAna dete the| taba dAna karane yogya hI brAhmaNa the| ve brAhmaNa ko dAna dete to puNya baMdhatA thaa| aba to yaha saba jarjarita ho gayA hai| brAhmaNa yahA~ se palaMga le jAte haiM, usakA saudA pahale se kiyA hotA hai ki bAIsa rupaye meM tujhe duuNgaa| gadde kA saudA kiyA hotA hai, caddara kA saudA kiyA hotA hai| hama dUsarA saba dete haiM, kapar3e sAdhana Adi saba, ve bhI beca dete haiM sbhii| aise vahA~ kisa taraha saba AtmA ko pahu~cegA, aisA mAna liyA logoM ne? praznakartA : dAdAjI aba to kitane hI loga aisA kahate haiM ki brAhmaNoM ko kaha dete haiM ki tU saba le AnA aura hama nirdhArita paise de deNge| so ge| loga apane Apa karate haiM aura yadi aise kaheM ki apane lie karo na! taba kahate haiM, 'nahIM bhAI, phurasata nahIM hai mujhe|' yadi pitAjI ke lie karane ko kaheM, taba bhI nahIM kareM aise haiM ye| lekina par3osI kahate haiM, 'are mue, tere bApa kA kara, tere bApa kA kara!' vaha to par3osI Thoka-pITakara karavAte haiM! praznakartA : to yaha garur3a purANa biThAte haiM, vaha kyA hai? dAdAzrI : vaha to garur3a purANa to, ve jo rote rahate haiM na, ve garur3a purANa meM jAte haiM, yAnI phira zAMti karane ke sabhI rAste haiM ye| vaha saba vAha-vAha ke lie praznakartA : yaha mRtyu ke bAda bArahavA~ karate haiM, terahI karate haiM, baratana bA~Tate haiM, bhojana rakhate haiM, usakA mahatva kitanA hai? dAdAzrI : vaha anivArya vastu nahIM hai| vaha to pIche vAha-vAha ke lie karavAte haiN| aura yadi kharca na kareM na, to lobhI hotA rahatA hai, do hajAra rupaye dilavAe hoM to khAtA-pItA nahIM hai aura do hajAra ke pIche paise jor3atA rahatA hai| isalie aisA kharcA kare to phira mana zuddha ho jAtA hai aura lobha nahIM bar3hatA hai| parantu vaha anivArya vastu nahIM hai| pAsa meM ho to karanA, nahIM ho to koI bAta nhiiN| zrAddha kI saccI samajha dAdAzrI: vaha to Aja nahIM, kitane hI varSoM se karate haiN| nirdhArita paise de deMge, tU le aanaa| aura vaha dUsare kI dI huI khATa hotI hai vaha le AtA hai! bolo aba! phira bhI logoM ko mAnane meM nahIM AtA. phira bhI gAr3I to vaise calatI hI rahatI hai| jaina aisA nahIM krte| jaina bar3e pakke hote haiM, aisA-vaisA nahIM krte| aisA-vaisA kucha hai bhI nhiiN| yahA~ se AtmA nikalA, to sIdhe usakI gati meM jAtA hai, yoni prApta ho jAtI hai| maranevAle ko nahIM kucha lenA-denA praznakartA : maranevAle ke pIche kucha bhajana-kIrtana karanA yA nahIM? usase kyA fAyadA hotA hai? dAdAzrI : maranevAle ko koI lenA-denA nahIM hai| praznakartA : to phira ye apanI dhArmika vidhiyA~ haiM, mRtyu ke avasara para jo sabhI vidhiyA~ kI jAtI haiM, ve sahI haiM yA nahIM? dAdAzrI : isameM eka akSara bhI saccA nahIM hai| yaha to ve gae, praznakartA: ye zrAddha meM to pitaoM ko jo AhavAna hotA hai. vaha ThIka hai? usa samaya zrAddha pakSa meM pitR Ate haiM? aura kaue ko bhojana khilAte haiM, vaha kyA hai ? dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, yadi beTe ke sAtha saMbaMdha hogA to aaegaa| sArA saMbaMdha pUrA hotA hai, taba to deha chUTatA hai| kisI prakAra kA gharavAloM

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mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAt... ke sAtha saMbaMdha nahIM rahA, isalie yaha deha chUTa jAtA hai| phira koI milatA nahIM hai| phira nayA saMbaMdha baMdhA ho, to phira janma hotA hai vahA~, bAkI koI AtA-karatA nahIM hai| pitR kise kaheMge? beTe ko kaheMge yA bApa ko kaheMge? beTA pitR honevAlA hai aura bApa bhI pitR honevAlA hai aura dAdA bhI pitR honAvAlA hai, kise kaheMge pitR? praznakartA : yAda karane lie hI ye kriyAe~ rakhI haiM, aisA na? 19 dAdAzrI : nahIM, yAda karane ke lie bhI nhiiN| yaha to apane loga mRtaka ke pIche dharma ke nAma para cAra Ane bhI kharca kareM aise nahIM the| isalie phira unheM samajhAyA ki bhAI Apake pitAzrI mara gae haiM, to kucha kharca karo, kucha aisA karo, vaisA kro| taba phira Apake pitAzrI ko phuNcegaa| taba loga bhI use DA~Takara kahate haiM ki bApa ke lie kucha kara na! zrAddha kara na! kucha acchA kara na! to aise karake do sau cAra sau, jo bhI kharca karavAte haiM dharma ke nAma para, utanA usakA phala milatA hai| bApa ke nAma para karatA hai aura bAda meM phala milatA hai| yadi bApa kA nAma nahIM diyA hotA, to ye loga cAra Ane bhI kharca nahIM krte| ataH aMdhazraddhA para yaha bAta cala rahI hai| ApakI samajha meM AyA? nahIM samajhe? ye vrata-upavAsa karate haiM, vaha saba Ayurveda ke lie hai, Ayurveda ke lie| ye saba vrata-upavAsa Adi karate haiM aura Ayurveda meM kisa taraha phAyadA ho, usake lie prabaMdha kiyA hai yaha saba pahale ke logoM ne prabaMdha acchA kiyA hai| ina mUrkha logoM ko bhI phAyadA hogA, isalie aSTamI, ekAdazI, paMcamI, aisA saba kiyA hai aura ye zrAddha karate haiM na! ataH zrAddha, vaha to bahuta acche hetu ke lie kiyA hai| praznakartA: dAdAjI, zrAddha meM kauoM ko bhojana khilAte haiM, usakA kyA tAtparya hai? ajJAnatA kahalAtI hai vaha ? mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAt.... dAdAzrI : nahIM, ajJAnatA nahIM hai| yaha eka taraha se logoM ne sikhAyA hai ki usa prakAra se zrAddhakarma hotA hai| vaha apane yahA~ to zrAddha karane kA to bar3A itihAsa hai| isakA kyA kAraNa thA ? zrAddha kaba se zurU hote haiM ki bhAdoM suda pUnama se lekara bhAdoM vada amAvasyA taka zrAddhapakSa kahalAtA hai| solaha dina ke zrAddha ! aba yaha zrAddha kA kisa lie ina logoM ne DAlA? bahuta buddhimAna prajA haiM ! isalie zrAddha jo DAle haiM, vaha to saba vaijJAnika tarIkA hai| hamAre inDiyA meM Aja se kucha sAla pahale taka gA~voM meM hara eka ghara meM eka khaTiyA to bichI rahatI thI, maleriyAvAle eka-do loga to khATa meM hote the| kauna se mahIne meM? taba kaheM, bhAdoM mahIne meN| isalie hama gA~va meM jAe~, to hara eka ghara ke bAhara ekAdha khaTiyA par3I hotI aura usameM marIz2a so rahA hotA, or3hakara / bukhAra hotA, maleriyA ke buqhAra se grasta / bhAdoM ke mahIne meM macchara bahuta hote the, isalie maleriyA bahuta phailatA thA, yAnI maleriyA pitta kA jvara kahalAtA hai| vaha vAyu yA kapha kA jvara nahIM hai| pitta kA jvara, to itanA adhika pitta bar3ha jAtA hai| barasAta ke dina aura pittajvara aura phira macchara kATate haiN| jise pitta jyAdA hotA hai use kATate haiN| isalie manuSyoM ne, ina khojakarttAoM ne yaha khoja kI thI ki hindustAna meM, koI rAstA nikAlo, nahIM to AbAdI AdhI ho jaaegii| abhI to ye macchara kama ho gae haiM, nahIM to AdamI jIvita nahIM hotaa| isalie pitta ke buqhAra ko zamana karane ke lie, aisI zamana kriyA karane ke lie khoja kI thI ki ye loga dUdhapAka yA khIra, dUdha aura zakkara Adi khAe~ to pitta zamegA aura maleriyA se kucha chuTakArA mile| aba ye loga ghara kA dUdha ho, phira bhI khIra - bIra banAte nahIM the, dUdhapAka khAte nahIM the aise ye loga! bahuta normala na ( !), isalie kyA ho, vaha Apa jAnate ho? aba ye dUdhapAka roz2a khAe~ kisa taraha? aba bApa ko to eka akSara bhI nahIM pahu~catA / para ina logoM ne 20

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mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAt... __21 mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAt... prakAra ke sAta janma hote haiM, yaha bAta saca hai? dAdAzrI : jo saMskAra par3ate haiM, ve sAta-ATha janma ke bAda jAte haiN| isalie ye koI bure saMskAra par3ane mata denaa| bure saMskAroM se dUra bhaagnaa| hA~, yahA~ cAhe jaisA du:kha ho to vaha sahana karanA, para golI mata mAranA, AtmahatyA mata krnaa| isalie bar3audA zahara meM Aja se kucha sAla pahale sabase kaha diyA thA ki AtmahatyA kA vicAra Ae, taba mujhe yAda karanA aura mere pAsa A jaanaa| aise manuSya hoM na, jokhimavAle manuSya, unheM kahakara rakhatA thaa| vaha phira mere pAsa Ae, taba use samajhA duuN| dUsare dina AtmahatyA karanA baMda ho jaae| 1951 ke bAda sabako khabara kara dI thI ki jisa kisI ko AtmahatyA karanI ho to vaha majhase mile, aura phira kre| koI Ae ki mujhe AtmahatyA karanI hai to use maiM smjhaauuN| AsapAsa ke 'kaoNz2ez2a' (kAraNa), sarkala, AtmahatyA karane jaisI haiM yA nahIM karane jaisI, saba use samajhA dUM aura use vApisa mor3a khoja kI thI ki ye hindustAna ke loga cAra Ane bhI dharma kareM, aise nahIM haiN| aise lobhI haiM ki do Ane bhI dharma nahIM kreN| isalie aise ulaTA kAna pakar3avAyA ki 'tere bApa kA zrAddha to kara!' aisA saba kahane Ate haiM na! isalie zrAddha kA nAma isa prakAra DAla diyaa| isalie logoM ne phira zurU kara diyA ki bApa kA zrAddha to karanA par3egA na! aura mujhasA koI ar3iyala ho aura zrAddha na karatA ho taba kyA kahate haiM? 'bApa kA zrAddha bhI karatA nahIM hai|' Asa-pAsavAle kica-kica karate haiM, isalie phira zrAddha kara detA hai| taba phira bhojana karavA detA hai| taba pUnama ke dina se khIra khAne ko milatI hai aura paMdraha dinoM taka khIra milatI rahatI hai| kyoMki Aja mere yahA~, kala Apake yahA~ aura logoM ko bhI yaha mAphika A gayA ki, 'hogA, tabhI bArI-bArI se khAnA hai na! Thage nahIM jAnA aura phira khAnA DAlanA kaue ko|' isa prakAra zodha kI thii| usase pitta sArA zama jAtA hai| to isalie ina logoM ne yaha vyavasthA kI thii| isalie hamAre loga usa samaya kyA kahate the ki solaha zrAddhoM ke bAda yadi jIvita rahA to navarAtri meM AyA ! __ hastAkSara binA maraNa bhI nahIM para kudarata kA niyama aisA hai ki kisI bhI manuSya ko yahA~ se le jA sakate nahIM haiN| maranevAle ke hastAkSara binA use yahA~ se le jA sakate nahIM hai| loga hastAkSara karate hoMge kyA? aisA kahate haiM na ki 'he bhagavAna, yahA~ se jAyA jAe to acchA' aba aisA kisa lie bolate haiM? vaha Apa jAnate ho? kabhI aisA bhItara duHkha hotA hai, taba phira duHkha kA mArA bolatA hai ki 'yaha deha chUTe to acchaa|' usa ghar3I hastAkSara karavA letA hai| usase pahale karanA 'mujhe' yAda praznakartA : dAdAjI aisA sunA hai ki AtmahatyA ke bAda isa AtmahatyA kA phala praznakartA : koI manuSya yadi AtmahatyA kare to usakI kyA gati hotI hai ? bhUta-preta banatA hai? dAdAzrI : AtmahatyA karane se to preta banatA hai aura preta banakara bhaTakanA par3atA hai| isalie AtmahatyA karake ulaTe upAdhiyA~ mola letA hai| ekabAra AtmahatyA kare, usake bAda kitane hI janmoM taka usakA pratighoSa gUMjatA rahatA hai! aura yaha jo AtmahatyA karatA hai, vaha koI nayA nahIM kara rahA hai| vaha to pichale janma meM AtmahatyA kI thI, usake pratighoSa se karatA hai| yaha jo AtmahatyA karatA hai, vaha to pichale kie hue AtmaghAta karma kA phala AtA hai| isalie apane Apa hI AtmahatyA karatA hai| ve aise pratighoSa par3e hote haiM ki vaha vaisA kA vaisA hI karatA

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mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAta... _____23 mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAt... AyA hotA hai| isalie apane Apa AtmahatyA karatA hai aura AtmahatyA hone ke bAda phira avagativAlA jIva bana jAtA hai| avagati arthAt deha ke binA bhaTakatA hai| bhUta bananA kucha AsAna nahIM hai| bhUta to devagati kA avatAra hai, vaha AsAna cIz2a nahIM hai| bhUta to yahA~ para kaThora tapa kie hoM, ajJAna tapa kie hoM, taba bhUta hotA hai, jaba ki preta alaga vastu haiN| vikalpa binA jIyA nahIM jAtA praznakartA : AtmahatyA ke vicAra kyoM Ate hoMge? dAdAzrI : vaha to bhItara vikalpa khatama ho jAte haiM islie| yaha to vikalpa ke AdhAra para jIyA jAtA hai| vikalpa samApta ho jAe~, phira aba kyA karanA, usakA koI darzana dikhatA nahIM hai, isalie phira AtmahatyA karane kI socatA hai| isalie ye vikalpa bhI kAma ke hI haiN| sahaja vicAra baMda ho jAe~, taba ye saba ulaTe vicAra Ate haiN| vikalpa baMda hoM isalie jo sahaja vicAra Ate hoM, ve bhI baMda ho jAte haiN| a~dherA ghora ho jAtA hai| phira kucha dikhatA nahIM hai! saMkalpa arthAt 'merA' aura vikalpa arthAt 'maiN'| ve donoM baMda ho jAe~, taba mara jAne ke vicAra Ate haiN| AtmahatyA ke kAraNa praznakartA : vaha jo use vRtti huI, AtmahatyA karane kI usakA rUTa (mUla) kyA hai? dAdAzrI : AtmahatyA kA rUTa to aisA hotA hai ki usane kisI janma meM AtmahatyA kI ho to usake pratighoSa sAta janmoM taka rahA karate haiN| jaise eka geMda DAleM na hama, tIna phITa Upara se DAleM, to apane Apa dUsarI bAra DhAI phITa uchalakara vApasa giregii| phira eka phuTa uchalakara gire vApasa, aisA hotA hai ki nahIM? tIna phITa pUrA nahI uchalatI, para apane svabhAva se DhAI phITa uchalakara vApasa giratI hai, tIsarI bAra do phITa uchalakara vApasa giratI hai, cauthI bAra Der3ha phITa uchalakara vApisa gIratI hai| phira eka phuTa uchalakara giratI hai| aisA usakA gati kA niyama hotA hai| aise kudarata ke bhI niyama hote haiN| vaha ye AtmahatyA kareM, to sAta janma taka AtmahatyA karanI hI par3atI hai| aba usameM kama-jyAdA pariNAma se AtmahatyA hameM pUrNa hI dikhatI hai, magara pariNAma kama tIvratAvAle hote haiM aura kama hote-hote, pariNAma khatama ho jAte haiN| aMtima paloM meM marate samaya sArI z2indagI meM jo kiyA ho, usakA sAra (hisAba) AtA hai| vaha sAra paunA ghaMTe taka par3hatA rahe, phira deha baMdha jAtA hai| phalataH do pairoM meM se cAra paira ho jAte haiN| yahA~ roTI khAte khAte, vahA~ DaMThala khAne ! isa kaliyuga kA mAhAtmya aisA hai| isalie yaha manuSyatva phira milanA muzkila hai, aisA yaha kaliyuga kA kAla... praznakartA : aMtima samaya kise patA hai ki kAna baMda ho jAe~? dAdAzrI : aMtima samaya meM to Aja jo Apake bahIkhAte meM jamA hai na, vaha AtA hai| mRtyu samaya kA ghaMTA, jo guNasthAna AtA hai na, vaha sAra hai aura vaha lekhA-jokhA sirpha sArI z2indagI kA nahIM. paranta pahale jo janma liyA aura bAda kA, usa bIca ke bhAga kA lekhA-jokhA hai| vaha mRtyu kI ghar3I meM hamAre loga, kitane hI kAna meM bulavAte haiM, 'bolo rAma, bolo rAma,' are mue, rAma kyoM bulavAtA hai? rAma to gae kabhI para logoM ne sikhalAyA aisA, ki aisA kucha krnaa| lekina vaha to aMdara puNya jAgA ho na, taba eDajasTa hotA hai| aura vaha to lar3akI ko byAhane kI ciMtA meM hI par3A hotA hai| ye tIna lar3akiyA~ byAha dI

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mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAt... mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAt... samAdhi maraNa isalie mRtyu se kaheM ki "tujhe jaldI AnA ho to jaldI A, dera se AnA ho to dera se A, magara 'samAdhi maraNa' banakara AnA!" aura yaha cauthI raha gii| ye tIna byAha dI aura choTI akelI raha gii| raqama karI ki vaha Age Akara khar3I rhegii| aura vaha bacapana meM acchA kiyA huA nahIM AegA, bur3hApe meM acchA kiyA huA aaegaa| kudarata kA kaisA suMdara kAnUna! ataH yahA~ se jAtA hai, vaha bhI kudarata kA nyAya, ThIka hai na! lekina vItarAga sAvadhAna karate haiM ki bhAI pacAsa sAla ho gae aba sa~bhala jA! pacahattara varSa kI Ayu ho to pacAsaveM varSa meM pahalI phoTo khiMcatI hai aura sATha varSa kA AyuSya ho, taba cAlIsaveM varSa meM phoTo khiMcatI hai| ikyAsI varSa kA AyuSya ho to cauvanaveM varSa meM phoTo khiMca jAtI hai| lekina taba taka itanA TAima phrI oNpha kaoNsTa (muphta) milatA hai, do tihAI hissA phrI meM milatA hai aura eka tihAI bhAga, usakI phira phoTo khiMcatI rahatI haiN| kAnUna acchA hai yA jora-z2abaradastIvAlA hai? jora-z2abaradastIvAlA nahIM hai na? nyAyasaMgata hai na? do tihAI uchala-kUda kI ho, usakI hameM Apatti nahIM hai, para aba sIdhA mara na, kahate haiM! samAdhi maraNa arthAt AtmA ke sivAya aura kucha yAda hI nahIM ho| nija svarUpa zuddhAtmA ke alAvA dUsarI jagaha citta hI nahIM ho, mana-buddhi-citta-ahaMkAra, kucha bhI DA~vADola ho nahIM! niraMtara samAdhi ! deha ko upAdhI ho, phira bhI upAdhI chue nahIM! deha to upAdhIvAlA hai ki nahIM? praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : kevala upAdhIvAlA hI nahIM, vyAdhivAlA bhI hai yA nahIM? jJAnI ko upAdhI chUtI nhiiN| vyAdhi huI ho to vaha bhI chUtI nhiiN| aura ajJAnI to vyAdhi nahIM ho, to use bulAtA hai ! samAdhi mRtyu arthAt 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' aisA bhAna rahe! apane kitane hI mahAtmAoM kI mRtyu huI, una sabhI ko 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~, maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' aisA bhAna rahA karatA thaa| gati kI nizAnI praznakartA : mRtyu samaya aisI koI nizAnI hai ki kabhI patA cale ki isa jIva kI gati acchI huI yA nahIM? dAdAzrI : usa samaya, merI lar3akI byAhI ki nahIM? aisA huA nahIM hai| aisI sabhI ghara kI hI bhejAphor3I karatA rahatA hai| upAdhI karatA rahatA hai| isalie samajhanA ki isakI ho gaI adhogti| aura AtmA meM rahatA ho arthAt bhagavAna meM rahatA ho to acchI gati huii| praznakartA : lekina behoza rahe thor3e dina, to? kSaNa-kSaNa bhAva maraNa praznakartA : deha kI mRtyu to kahalAtI hai na? dAdAzrI : ajJAnI manuSyoM kA to do taraha kA maraNa hotA hai| roz2a bhAva maraNa hotA rahatA hai| kSaNa-kSaNa bhAva maraNa aura phira aMtataH deha kI mRtyu hotI hai| lekina hararoz2a usake maraNa, ronA roja kaa| kSaNakSaNa bhAva mrnn| isalie kRpAludeva ne likhA hai na! 'kSaNa-kSaNa bhayaMkara bhAva maraNe kAM aho rAcI rahyo!' (kSaNa-kSaNa bhayaMkara bhAva mRtyu, kyoM are prasanna hai!) ye sabhI jI rahe haiM, ve marane ke lie yA kisa lie jI rahe haiM?

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mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAt... 28 mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAt... atyaMta guhyatama / isa guhyatama ke kAraNa hI yaha saba aisA polampola jagat calA karatA hai| jIe-mare, vaha kauna? ye janma-mRtyu AtmA ke nahIM haiN| AtmA paramAnenTa vastu hai| ye janma-mRtyu igoijama, ahaMkAra ke haiN| igoiz2ama janma pAtA hai aura igoijama maratA hai| vAstava meM AtmA khuda maratA hI nhiiN| ahaMkAra hI janmatA hai aura ahaMkAra hI maratA hai| mRtyu samaya pahale aura pazcAt... dAdAzrI : behoza rahe, phira bhI bhItara yadi jJAna meM ho to clegaa| yaha jJAna liyA huA honA caahie| phira behoza ho to bhI clegaa| mRtyu kA bhaya praznakartA : to mRtyu kA bhaya kyoM rahatA hai sabhI ko? dAdAzrI : mRtyu kA bhaya to ahaMkAra ko rahatA hai, AtmA ko kucha nhiiN| ahaMkAra ko bhaya rahatA hai ki maiM mara jAU~gA, maiM mara jaauuNgaa| usa dRSTi se dekho to sahI aisA hai na, bhagavAna kI dRSTi se isa saMsAra meM kyA cala rahA hai? taba kahe, unakI dRSTi se to koI maratA hI nhiiN| bhagavAna kI jo dRSTi hai, vaha dRSTi yadi Apako prApta ho, eka dina ke lie deM ve Apako, to yahA~ cAhe jitane loga mara jAe~, phira bhI Apako asara nahIM hogA, kyoMki bhagavAna kI dRSTi meM koI maratA hI nahIM hai| jIva, to maraNa-ziva, to amara kabhI na kabhI solyazana to lAnA par3egA na? jIvana-mRtyu kA solyuzana nahIM lAnA par3egA? vAstava meM khuda maratA bhI nahIM hai aura vAstava meM jItA bhI nahIM hai| yaha to mAnyatA meM hI bhala hai ki svayaM ko jIva mAna baiThA hai| khuda kA svarUpa ziva hai| khuda ziva hai, lekina yaha khuda kI samajha meM nahIM AtA hai aura khuda ko jIvasvarUpa mAna baiThA AtmA kI sthiti janma-maraNa kyA hai? praznakartA : janma-maraNa kyA hai? dAdAzrI : janma-mRtyu to hote haiM, hama dekhate haiM ki usameM kyA hai, usameM pUchane jaisA nahIM hai| janma-maraNa arthAt usake karma kA hisAba pUrA ho gayA, eka avatAra kA jo hisAba bAMdhA thA, vaha pUrA ho gayA, isalie maraNa ho jAtA hai| mRtyu kyA hai? praznakartA : mRtyu kyA hai? dAdAzrI : mRtyu to, aisA hai na, yaha qamIz2a silavAI arthAt kamIz2a kA janma huA na, aura janma huA, isalie mRtyu hue bagaira rahatI hI nahIM! kisI bhI vastu kA janma hotA hai, usakI mRtyu avazya hotI hai| aura AtmA ajanma-amara hai, usakI mRtyu hI nahIM hotii| matalaba jitanI vastue~ janmatI haiM, unakI mRtyu avazya hotI hai aura mRtyu hai to praznakartA : aisA hara eka jIva ko samajha meM AtA ho, to yaha duniyA cale nahIM na? dAdAzrI : hA~, cale hI nahIM na! parantu taba hara eka vyakti ko vaha samajha meM Ae aisA bhI nahIM hai! yaha to paz2ala hai sb| atyaMta guhya,

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mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAt... 30 mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAt... janma paaeNgii| janma ke sAtha mRtyu joinTa huA hai| janma ho, vahA~ mRtyu avazya hotI hI hai! kahate haiN| para hai| agale janma ke DiscArja' hotI hai| i praznakartA : mRtyu kisa lie hai? dAdAzrI : mRtyu to aisA hai na, isa deha kA janma huA na vaha eka saMyoga hai, usakA viyoga hue bagaira rahatA hI nahIM na! saMyoga hamezA viyogI svabhAva ke hI hote haiN| hama skUla meM par3hane gae the, taba zurUAta kI thI yA nahIM, biginiMga? phira enDa AyA ki nahIM AyA? haraeka cIz2a biginiMga aura enDavAlI hI hotI hai| yahA~ para ina sabhI cIjoM kA biginiMga aura enDa hotA hai| nahIM samajha meM AyA tujhe? praznakartA : samajha meM AyA na! dAdAzrI : ye sabhI cIjeM biginiMga-enDavAlI, parantu biginiMga aura enDa ko jo jAnatA hai, vaha jAnanevAlA kauna hai? biginiMga-enDavAlI sabhI vastue~ haiM, ve TemparerI (asthAyI) vastue~ haiN| jisakA biginiMga hotA hai, usakA enDa hotA hai, biginiMga ho usakA enDa hotA hI hai avshy| ve sabhI TemparerI vastue~ haiM, magara TemparerI ko jAnanevAlA kauna hai? tU paramAnenTa hai, kyoMki tU ina vastuoM ko TemparerI kahatA hai, isalie tU paramAnenTa hai| yadi sabhI vastue~ TemparerI hotI to phira TemparerI kahane kI z2arUrata hI nahIM thii| TemparerI sApekSa zabda hai| paramAnenTa hai, to TemparerI hai| haiN| ve iphekTa pUrNa hote haiM, taba 'beTariyoM' se hisAba pUrA ho jAtA hai| taba taka ve beTariyA~ rahatI haiM aura phira khatama ho jAtI haiM, use mRtyu kahate haiN| para taba phira agale janma ke lie bhItara nayI beTariyA~ cArja ho gaI hotI haiN| agale janma ke lie bhItara nayI beTariyA~ cArja hotI hI rahatI hai aura purAnI 'beTariyA~' 'DiscArja' hotI hai| aise 'cArjaDiscArja' hotA hI rahatA hai| kyoMki use 'roMga bilIfa' hai| isalie 'kaoNz2ez2a' utpanna hote haiN| jaba taka 'roMga bilIfa' haiM, taba taka rAgadveSa aura kaoNjez2a utpanna hote haiN| aura vaha 'roMga bilIfa' badale aura 'rAiTa bilIfa baiThe, taba phira rAga-dveSa aura 'kaoNz2ez2a' utpanna hote nhiiN| punarjanma praznakartA : jIvAtmA maratA hai, phira vApasa AtA hai na? dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, faoNrenavAloM kA vApasa nahIM AtA hai, muslimoM kA vApasa nahIM AtA hai, lekina ApakA vApasa AtA hai| Apa para bhagavAna kI itanI kRpA hai ki ApakA vApasa AtA hai| yahA~ se marA ki vahA~ dUsarI yoni meM paiTha gayA hotA hai| aura unakA to vApasa nahIM aataa| aba vAstava meM vApasa nahIM Ate, aisA nahIM hai| unakI mAnyatA aisI hai ki yahA~ se marA yAnI mara gayA, lekina vAstava meM vApasa hI AtA hai| para unheM samajha AtA nahIM hai| punarjanma hI samajhate nahIM haiN| Apako punarjanma samajha meM AtA hai na? zarIra kI mRtyu ho, to vaha jar3a ho jAtA hai| usa para se sAbita hotA hai ki usameM jIva thA, vaha nikalakara dUsarI jagaha gyaa| faoNrenavAle to kahate haiM ki yaha vahI jIva thA aura vahI jIva mara gyaa| hama vaha kabUla karate nahIM haiN| hama loga punarjanma meM mAnate haiN| hama 'Devalapa' (vikasita) hue haiN| hama vItarAga vijJAna ko jAnate haiN| vItarAga vijJAna kahatA hai, punarjanma ke AdhAra para hama ikaTThe hue haiM, aisA hindustAna meM mRtyu kA kAraNa praznakartA : to mRtyu kisa lie AtI hai? dAdAzrI: vaha to aisA hai, jaba janma hotA hai. taba ye mana-vacanakAyA kI tIna beTariyA~ haiM, jo garbha meM se iphekTa (pariNAma) detI jAtI

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mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAt.. 32 mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAt... samajhate haiN| usake AdhAra para hama AtmA ko mAnane lage hai| nahIM to yadi punarjanma kA AdhAra nahIM hotA to AtmA mAnA hI kaise jA sakatA hai? to punarjanma kisa kA hotA hai? taba kahe, AtmA hai, to punarjanma hotA hai, kyoMki deha to mara gayA, jalAyA gayA, aisA hama dekhate haiN| ata: AtmA kA samajha meM AtA ho, to hala A jAe na! lekina vaha samajha Ae aisA nahIM hai na! isalie tamAma zAstroM ne kahA ki 'AtmA jAno!' aba use jAne binA jo kucha kiyA jAtA hai, vaha saba use phAyademaMda nahIM hai, hailpiMga nahIM hai| pahale AtmA jAno to sArA solyuzana (hala) A jaaegaa| punarjanma kisa kA? praznakartA : punarjanma kauna letA hai? jIva letA hai yA AtmA letA dAdAzrI : vaha to hara eka janma pUrvajanma hI hotA hai| arthAt hara eka janma kA saMbaMdha pUrvajanma se hI hotA hai| praznakartA : lekina pUrvajanma kA isa janma se kyA lenA-denA hai? dAdAzrI : are agale janma ke lie yaha pUrvajanma huaa| pichalA janma, vaha pUrvajanma hai, to yaha janma hai| vaha agale janma kA pUrvajanma kahalAtA hai| hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, kisI ko lenA nahIM par3atA, ho jAtA hai| yaha saMsAra 'iTa hepansa' (apane Apa cala rahA) hI hai! praznakartA : hA~, magara vaha kisa se ho jAtA hai? jIva se ho jAtA hai yA AtmA se? dAdAzrI : nahIM, AtmA ko kucha lenA-denA hI nahIM hai. saba jIva se hI hai| jise bhautika sukha cAhie, use yoni meM praveza karane kA 'rAiTa' (adhikAra) hai| jise bhautika sukha nahIM cAhie, use yoni meM praveza karane kA rAiTa calA jAtA hai| saMbaMdha janma-janma kA praznakartA : manuSya ke hara eka janma kA punarjanma ke sAtha saMbaMdha praznakartA : hA~, vaha bAta saccI hai| para pUrvajanma meM aisA kucha hotA hai, jisakA isa janma ke sAtha koI saMbaMdha ho? dAdAzrI : bahuta hI saMbaMdha, nirA! pUrvajanma meM bIja par3atA hai aura dUsare janma meM phala AtA hai| isalie usameM, bIja meM aura phala meM pharka nahIM? saMbaMdha huA ki nahIM?! hama bAjare kA dAnA boe~, vaha parvajanma aura bAla Ae, vaha yaha janma, phira se isa bAla meM se bIja rUpa meM dAnA girA vaha pUrvajanma aura usameM se bAla Ae, vaha nayA jnm| samajha meM AyA ki nahIM? praznakartA : eka AdamI rAste para calatA huA jA rahA hai aura dUsare kitane hI rAste para calate hue jAte haiM, para koI sA~pa amuka AdamI ko hI kATatA hai, usakA kAraNa punarjanma hI? dAdAzrI : hA~, hama yahI kahanA cAhate haiM ki punarjanma hai| isalie vaha sA~pa Apako kATatA hai, punarjanma nahIM hotA to Apako sA~pa nahIM kATatA, punarjanma hai, vaha ApakA hisAba Apako cukAtA hai| ye sabhI hisAba cuka rahe haiN| jisa taraha bahIkhAte ke hisAba cukatA hote haiM na, usI taraha sabhI hisAba cUka rahe haiN| aura 'DevalapamenTa' ke kAraNa ye hisAba sabhI hameM samajha meM Ate bhI hai| isalie hamAre yahA~ kitane hI logoM ko. punarjanma hai hI, aisI mAnyatA bhI ho gaI hai na! parantu ve

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mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAt.. mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAta... 'punarjanma' hai hI, aisA nahI kaha skte| hai hI' aisA koI sabUta de nahIM skte| lekina usakI apanI zraddhA meM baiTha gayA hai. aise sabhI udAharaNoM se, ki punarjanma hai to sahI! ye bahanajI kaheMgI. isako sAsa acchI kyoM milI aura mujhe kyoM aisI milI? yAnI saMyoga sabhI taraha-taraha ke milanevAle haiN| aura kyA sAtha meM jAtA hai? praznakartA : eka jIva dUsare deha meM jAtA hai| vahA~ sAtha meM paMcendriyA~ aura mana Adi hara eka jIva lekara jAtA hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, nahIM, kucha bhI nhiiN| indriyA~ to sabhI ekz2osTa (khAlI) hokara khatama ho gaI, indriyA~ to mara gii| isalie usake sAtha indriyoM jaisA kucha bhI jAnevAlA nahIM hai| kevala ye krodha-mAna-mAyAlobha jAnevAle haiN| usa kAraNa zarIra meM krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha sabhI A gyaa| aura sUkSma zarIra kaisA hotA hai? jaba taka mokSa meM nahIM jAte, taba taka sAtha hI rahatA hai| cAhe jahA~ avatAra ho, para yaha sUkSma zarIra to sAtha hI hotA hai| ilekTrikala baoNDI AtmA deha ko chor3akara akelA jAtA nahIM hai| AtmA ke sAtha phira sAre karma, jo kAraNa zarIra kahalAte haiM ve, phira tIsarA 'ilekTrikala baoNDI' (tejasa zarIra), ye tInoM sAtha hI nikalate haiN| jaba taka yaha saMsAra hai, taba taka hara eka jIva meM yaha ilekTrikala baoNDI hotI hI hai! kAraNa zarIra baMdhA ki ilekTrikala baoNDI sAtha meM hI hotI hai| ilekTrikala baoNDI hara eka jIva meM sAmAnya bhAva se hotI hI hai aura usake AdhAra para apanA calatA hai| bhojana lete haiM, use pacAne kA kAma ilekTrikala baoNDI karatI hai| vaha khUna banatA hai, khUna zarIra meM Upara car3hAtI hai, nIce utAratI vaha saba aMdara kArya karatI rahatI hai| A~kha se dikhatA hai, vaha lAITa sArA isa ilekTrikala baoNDI ke kAraNa se hotA hai| aura ye krodha-mAna-mAyAlobha bhI isa 'ilekTrikala baoNDI' ke kAraNa hI hote haiN| AtmA meM krodhamAna-mAyA-lobha haiM hI nhiiN| yaha gussA bhI, vaha saba ilekTrikala baoNDI ke zaoNka (AghAta) haiN| praznakartA : yAnI 'cArja' hone meM 'ilekTrikala baoNDI' kAma karatI hogI na? dAdAzrI : ilekTrikala baoNDI ho, tabhI cArja hotA hai| nahIM to yaha ilekTrikala baoNDI nahIM ho, to yaha kucha calegA hI nhiiN| 'ilekTrikala baoNDI' ho aura AtmA nahIM ho, taba bhI kucha nahIM clegaa| ye sAre samucya 'qaoNz2ez2a' haiN| garbha meM jIva kA praveza kaba? praznakartA : saMcAra hotA hai, tabhI jIva praveza karatA hai| prANa AtA hai, aisA vedoM meM kahate haiN| dAdAzrI : nahIM, ve sabhI bAteM haiN| ve anubhava kI nahIM haiM, saccI bAta nahIM haiM ye saba / ve laukika bhASA kii| jIva ke binA kabhI bhI garbha dhAraNa nahIM hotaa| jIva kI upasthiti meM hI garbha dhAraNa hotA hai, nahIM to dhAraNa nahIM hotaa| vaha pahale to aMDe kI bhAMti bebhAna avasthA meM rahatA hai| praznakartA : murgI ke aMDe meM cheda banAkara jIva bhItara gayA? dAdAzrI : nahIM, vaha to yaha laukika meM aisA, laukika meM Apa kahate haiM, aisA hI likhA hai| kyoMki garbha dhAraNa honA, vaha to kAla, sabhI sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDansa, kAla bhI mile, taba dhAraNa

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mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAta.. mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAt... hotA hai| nau mahIne bhItara jIva rahatA hai taba prakaTa hotA hai aura sAta mahInoM kA jIva ho, taba adhUre mahInoM meM paidA ho gayA, isalie kaccA hotA hai| usakA dimAga-vimAga saba kaccA hotA haiN| sabhI aMga kacce hote haiN| sAta mahIne meM paidA huA isalie aura aTThAraha mahInoM meM AyA to bAta hI alaga, bahuta hAI levala (ucca koTI) kA dimAga hotA hai| ataH nau mahIne se jyAdA jitane mahIne hoM, utanA usakA 'TaoNpa' dimAga hotA hai, jAnate ho aisA? kyoM bolate nahIM? Apane sunA nahIM ki yaha aTThAraha mahIne kA hai aisA! sunA hai? pahale sunane meM nahIM AyA, nahIM? ki jAne do, usakI mA~ to aTThAraha mahIne kA hai, kahatI hai ! vaha to bar3A hoziyAra hotA hai| usakI mA~ ke peTa meM se bAhara nikalatA hI nhiiN| aTThAraha mahInoM taka rauba jamAtA hai vhaaN| bIca meM samaya kitanA? praznakartA : yAnI yaha deha chor3anA aura dUsarA dhAraNa karanA, una donoM ke bIca meM vaise, kitanA samaya lagatA hai? dAdAzrI : kucha bhI samaya nahIM lgtaa| yahA~ bhI hotA hai, isa deha se abhI nikala rahA hotA hai yahA~ se aura vahA~ yoni meM bhI hAz2ira hotA hai, kyoMki yaha TAimiMga hai| vIrya aura raja kA saMyoga hotA hai, usa ghdd'ii| idhara se deha chUTanevAlA ho, udhara vaha saMyoga hotA hai, vaha saba ikaTThA ho taba yahA~ se jAtA hai| nahIM to vaha yahA~ se jAtA hI nahIM, arthAt manuSya kI mRtyu ke bAda AtmA yahA~ se sIdhA hI dUsarI yonI meM jAtA hai| isalie Age kyA hogA, isakI koI cintA karane jaisA nahIM hai| kyoMki marane ke bAda dUsarI yoni prApta ho hI jAtI hai aura usa yoni meM praveza karate hI vahA~ khAnA Adi saba milatA hai| usase sarjana kAraNa-deha kA jagat bhrAMtivAlA hai, vaha kriyAoM ko dekhatA hai, dhyAna ko nahIM dekhatA hai| dhyAna agale janma kA puruSArtha hai aura kriyA. vaha pichale janma kA puruSArtha hai| dhyAna, vaha agale janma meM phala denevAlA hai| dhyAna huA ki usa samaya paramANu bAhara se khiMcate haiM aura ve dhyAna svarUpa hokara bhItara sUkSmatA se saMgrahita ho jAte haiM aura kAraNa-deha kA sarjana hotA hai| jaba RNAnubaMdha se mAtA ke garbha meM jAtA hai, taba kArya-deha kI racanA ho jAtI hai| manuSya maratA hai taba AtmA, sUkSma zarIra tathA kAraNa-zarIra sAtha jAte haiN| sUkSma zarIra hara eka kA kaoNmana hotA hai, parantu kAraNa zarIra hara eka kA usake dvArA sevita kaoNz2ez2a ke anusAra alaga-alaga hotA hai| sUkSma-zarIra, vaha ilekTrikala baoNDI (tejasa-zarIra) hai| kAraNa-kArya kI-zRMkhalA mRtyu ke bAda janma aura janma ke bAda mRtyu hai, bs| yaha niraMtara calatA hI rahatA haiM! aba yaha janma aura mRtyu kyoM hue haiM? taba kahe kaoNz2ez2a enDa iphekTa, iphekTa enDa kaoNz2ez2a, kAraNa aura kArya, kArya aura kaarnn| usameM yadi kAraNoM kA nAza karane meM Ae. to ye sAre 'iphekTa' baMda ho jAe~, phira nayA janma nahIM lenA par3atA hai! yahA~ para sArI z2indagI 'kaoNjez2a' khar3e kie hoM, ve Apake 'kaoNz2ez2a' kisa ke yahA~ jAe~ge? aura 'kaoNz2ez2a' kie hoM, isalie ve Apako kAryaphala die bagaira raheMge nhiiN| 'kaoNz2ez2a' khar3e kie hue haiM, aisA Apako khuda ko samajha meM AtA hai? hara eka kArya meM 'kaoNz2ez2a' paidA hote haiN| Apako kisI ne nAlAyaka kahA to Apake bhItara 'kaoNz2ez2a' paidA hote hai| 'terA bApa nAlAyaka hai' vaha Apake 'kaoNz2ez2a' kahalAte haiN| Apako nAlAyaka kahatA hai, vaha to niyamAnusAra kaha gayA aura Apane use gairakAnUnI kara diyaa|

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mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAt... 38 mRtya samaya, pahale aura pazcAta... sabhI gatiyoM meM to kevala 'iphekTa' hI hai| yahA~ 'kaoNjeja' enDa 'iphekTa' donoM haiN| hama jJAna dete haiM, taba 'kaoNz2ez2a' baMda kara dete haiN| phira nayA 'iphekTa' nahIM hotA hai| taba taka bhaTakanA hai... vaha samajha meM nahIM AyA Apako? kyoM bolate nahIM? praznakartA : ThIka hai| dAdAzrI : arthAt 'kaoNjeja isa bhava meM hote haiN| usakA 'iphekTa' agale janma meM bhoganA par3atA hai! yaha to 'iphekTiva' (pariNAma) moha ko 'kaoNjeja' (kAraNa) moha mAnane meM AtA hai| Apa aisA kevala mAnate ho ki 'maiM krodha karatA hU~' lekina yaha to Apako bhrAMti hai, taba taka hI krodha hai| bAkI, vaha krodha hai hI nahIM, vaha to iphekTa hai| aura kaoNjeja baMda ho jAe~, taba iphekTa akelA hI rahatA hai| aura vaha 'kaoNz2ez2a' baMda kie isalie 'hI iz2a noTa risponsibala phaoNra iphekTa' (pariNAma ke lie khuda z2immedAra nahIM) aura 'iphekTa' apanA prabhAva dikhAe binA rahegA hI nhiiN| kAraNa baMda hote haiM? praznakartA : deha aura AtmA ke bIca saMbaMdha to hai na? dAdAzrI : yaha deha hai, vaha AtmA kI ajJAna dazA kA pariNAma hai| jo jo 'kaoNjez2a' kie, usakA yaha 'iphekTa' hai| koI Apako phUla car3hAe to Apa khuza ho jAte ho aura Apako gAlI de to Apa cir3ha jAte ho| usa cir3hane aura khuza hone meM bAhya darzana kI kImata nahIM hai| aMtara bhAva se karma cArja hote haiM, usakA phira agale janma meM 'DiscArja' hotA hai| usa samaya vaha 'iphekTiva' hai| ye mana-vacana-kAyA tInoM 'iphekTiva' haiN| 'iphekTa' bhogate samaya dUsare naye 'kaoNz2ez2a' utpanna hote haiM, jo agale janma meM phira se 'iphekTiva' hote haiN| isa prakAra 'kaoNz2ez2a enDa iphekTa', iphekTa enDa kaoNjez2a' yaha krama niraMtara calatA hI rahatA 'iphekTiva baoNDI' arthAt mana-vacana-kAyA kI tIna beTariyA~ taiyAra ho jAtI haiM aura unameM se phira naye 'kaoNz2ez2a' utpanna hote rahate haiN| arthAt isa janma meM mana-vacana-kAyA DiscArja hote rahate haiM aura dUsarI tarapha bhItara nayA cArja hotA rahatA hai| jo mana-vacana-kAyA kI beTariyA~ cArja hotI rahatI haiM, ve agale bhava ke lie haiM aura ye pichale bhava kI haiM, ve hAla meM DiscArja hotI rahatI haiN| 'jJAnI puruSa' nayA 'cArja' baMda kara dete haiN| isalie purAnA 'DiscArja' hotA rahatA hai| isalie mRtyu ke pazcAt AtmA dUsarI yoni meM jAtA hai| jaba taka khuda kA 'selpha kA riyalAija' (AtmA kI pahacAna)nahIM hotA, taba taka sabhI yoniyoM meM bhaTakatA rahatA hai| jaba taka mana meM tanmayAkAra hotA hai, buddhi meM tanmayAkAra hotA hai, taba taka saMsAra khar3A rahatA hai| kyoMki tanmayAkAra honA arthAt yoni meM bIja par3anA aura kRSNa bhagavAna ne kahA hai ki yoni meM bIja par3atA hai aura usase yaha saMsAra khar3A rahA hai| yoni meM bIja par3anA baMda ho gayA ki usakA saMsAra samApta ho gyaa| vijJAna vakragativAlA hai praznakartA : "thiyarI oNpha ivolyuzana' (utkrativAda) ke anusAra jIva eka indriya, do indriya aise 'Devalapa' hotA-hotA manuSya meM AtA hai aura manuSya meM se phira vApasa jAnavara meM jAtA hai| to yaha 'ivolyuzana thiyarI' meM jarA virodhAbhAsa lagatA hai| vaha z2arA spaSTa kara diijie| dAdAzrI : nhiiN| usameM virodhAbhAsa jaisA nahIM hai| 'ivolyuzana kI hai| kevala manuSya janma meM hI 'kaoNz2ez2a' baMda ho sakeM aisA hai| anya

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mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAt.. ___39 mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAt... thiyarI' saba sahI hai| kevala manuSya taka hI 'ivolyuzana kI thiyarI' karekTa hai, phira usake Age kI bAta ve loga jAnate hI nahIM hai| praznakartA : manuSya meM se pazu meM vApasa jAtA hai kyA? prazna yaha praznakartA : para AtmA to pavitra hai na? dAdAzrI : AtmA pavitra to isa samaya bhI hai| caurAsI lAkha yoniyoM meM phirate hue bhI pavitra rahA hai! pavitra thA aura pavitra rahegA! vAsanA ke anusAra gati praznakartA : marane se pahale jaisI vAsanA ho, usa rUpa meM janma hotA hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha vAsanA, apane loga jo kahate haiM na ki marane se pahale aisI vAsanA thI, para vaha vAsanA kucha lAnI nahIM par3atI hai| vaha to hisAba hai, sArI z2indagI kaa| sArI z2indagI Apane jo kiyA ho, usakA mRtyu ke samaya AqhirI ghaMTA hotA hai taba hisAba AtA hai aura usa hisAba ke anusAra usakI gati ho jAtI haiN| dAdAzrI : aisA hai, pahale DArvina kI thiyarI 'utkrAMtivAda' ke anusAra 'Devalapa' hotA-hotA manuSya taka AtA hai aura manuSya meM AyA isalie 'igoiz2ama' (ahaMkAra) sAtha meM hone se katA hotA hai| karma kA kartA hotA hai, isalie phira karma ke anusAra use bhogane jAnA par3atA hai| 'DebiTa' (pApa) kare, taba jAnavara meM jAnA par3atA hai aura ' kreDiTa' (puNya) kare, taba devagati meM jAnA par3atA hai athavA to manuSyagati meM rAjApada milatA hai| ataH manuSya meM Ane ke bAda phira 'kreDiTa' aura 'DebiTa' para AdhArita hai| phira nahIM haiM caurAsI yoniyA~ praznakartA : lekina aisA kahate haiM na ki mAnavajanma, jo caurAsI lAkha yoni meM bhaTakakara Ane ke bAda milA hai, vaha phira se utanA bhaTakane ke bAda mAnavajanma milatA hai na? dAdAzrI : nahIM, aisA kucha nahIM hai| eka bAra manuSya janma meM AyA aura phira pUrI caurAsI meM bhaTakanA nahIM par3atA hai| use yadi pAzavatA ke vicAra Ae~, to adhika se adhika ATha bhava use pazuyoni meM jAnA paDatA hai, vaha bhI kevala sau-do sau varSa ke lie| phira vApasa yahIM kA yahIM manuSya meM AtA hai| eka bAra manuSya hone ke pazcAt caurAsI lAkha phere bhaTakanA hotA nahIM hai| praznakartA : eka hI AtmA caurAsI lAkha phere phiratA hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~, eka hI aatmaa| kyA manuSya meM se manuSya hI? praznakartA : manuSya meM se manuSya meM hI jAnevAle haiM na? dAdAzrI : vaha khuda kI samajha meM bhUla hai| bAkI strI kI kokha se manuSya hI janma letA hai| vahA~ koI gadhA nahIM jnmtaa| magara vaha aisA samajha baiThA ki hama mara jAe~ge phira bhI manuSya meM hI janmeMge to vaha bhUla hai| are, mue tere vicAra to gadhe ke haiM, phira manuSya kisa prakAra honevAlA hai? tujhe vicAra Ate haiM, kisa kA bhoga lU~, kisa kA le luuN| binA haqa kA bhogane ke vicAra Ate haiM, ve vicAra hI le jAte haiM, apanI gati meM! praznakartA : jIva kA aisA koI krama hai ki manuSya meM Ane ke bAda manuSya meM hI Ae ki dUsare kahIM jAe? dAdAzrI : hindustAna meM manuSya janma meM Ane ke bAda cAroM gatiyoM meM bhaTakanA par3atA hai| faoNrena ke manuSyoM meM aisA nahIM hai| unameM do-pA~ca

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mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAta... ___ 41 mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAta... sadA ke lie nhiiN| ye loga to kaise haiM, inheM pApa karanA bhI AtA hI nahIM hai| isa kaliyuga ke logoM ko pApa karanA AtA nahIM hai aura karate haiM pApa hI! isalie unake pApoM kA phala kaisA hotA hai? bahuta huA to pacAsa-sau sAla jAnavara meM jAkara vApasa yahIM kA yahIM AtA hai, haz2AroM varSa yA lAkhoM varSa nhiiN| aura kitane to pA~ca hI varSa meM jAnavara meM jAkara vApasa A jAte haiN| isalie jAnavara meM jAnA, use gunAha mata smjhnaa| kyoMki ve to turanta hI vApasa Ate haiM becAre! kyoMki aise pApa hI karate nahIM na! inameM zakti hI nahIM hai aise pApa karane kii| pratizata apavAda hotA hai| dUsare saba Upara car3hate hI rahate haiN| praznakartA : loga jise vidhAtA kahate haiM, ve kise kahate haiM? dAdAzrI : ve kudarata ko hI vidhAtA kahate hai| vidhAtA nAma kI koI devI nahIM hai| 'sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDansa' (vaijJAnika sAMyogika pramANa), vahI vidhAtA hai| hamAre logoM ne taya kiyA ki chaThI ke dina vidhAtA lekha likha jAtI hai| vikalpoM se yaha saba ThIka hai aura vAstavika jAnanA ho to yaha saca nahIM hai| yahA~ to kAnUna yaha hai ki jisane binA haqa kA liyA, usake do paira ke cAra paira ho jaaeNge| para vaha kAyama ke lie nahIM hai| jyAdA se jyAdA do sau sAla aura bahuta huA to sAta-ATha janma jAnavara meM jAte haiM aura kama se kama, pA~ca hI minaToM meM jAnavara meM jAkara, phira se manuSya meM A jAtA hai| kitane hI jIva aise haiM ki eka miniTa meM satraha avatAra badalate haiM, arthAt aise bhI jIva haiN| isalie jAnavara meM gae, una sabhI ko sau-dau sau sAla kA AyuSya nahIM milanevAlA hai| vaha samajha Ae lakSaNoM para se praznakartA : yaha jAnavara yoni meM jAnevAle haiM, isakA sabUta to batalAie kucha, use vaijJAnika AdhAra para kisa taraha mAneM? dAdAzrI : yahA~ koI jo bhauMkatA rahatA ho aisA manuSya milA hai Apako? 'kyA bhauMkatA rahatA hai?' aisA Apane usase kahA thA? vaha vahIM se, katte meM se AyA hai| koI bandara kI taraha harakateM kare. aise hote haiM ! ve vahA~ se Ae hote haiN| koI billI kI taraha aise tAkate baiThe rahate haiM, ApakA kucha le lene ke lie, chIna lene ke lie| ve vahA~ se Ae hue hote haiN| arthAt yahA~, kahA~ se Ae haiM ve, yaha bhI pahacAna sakate haiM aura kahA~ jAnevAle haiM, yaha bhI pahacAna sakate haiN| aura vaha bhI phira niyama, hAni-vRddhi kA praznakartA : yaha manuSyoM kI janasaMkhyA bar3hatI hI gaI hai, isakA artha yaha ki jAnavara kama hue haiM? dAdAzrI : hA~, sahI hai| jitane AtmA haiM, utane hI AtmA rahate haiM, para 'kanvarjana' (rUpAMtara) hotA rahatA hai| kabhI manuSya bar3ha jAte haiM, taba jAnavara kama hote hai aura kabhI jAnavara bar3ha jAte haiM, taba manuSya kama ho jAte haiN| aise kanvarjana hotA rahatA hai| aba phira se manuSya kama hoNge| aba san 1993 se zurUAta hogI ghaTane kI! taba loga kelkyulezana (ginatI) lagAte haiM ki san 2000 meM aisA ho jAegA aura vaisA ho jAegA, hindustAna kI AbAdI bar3ha jAegI, phira hama kyA khAe~ge? aisA kelkyu lezana lagAte haiM, nahIM lagAte haiM? vaha kisa ke jaisA hai? 'similI', upamA batAU~? eka caudaha sAla kA lar3akA ho, usakA kada cAra phuTa aura cAra IMca ho aura aTThArahave sAla meM pA~ca phuTa lambA ho| taba kahate haiM, cAra sAla meM ATha iMca baDhA, taba yaha sattaraveM sAla meM kitanA hogA? aisA

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mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAta... 43 mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAt... kelkyulezana lagAe~, usake jaisA yaha AbAdI kA kelkyulezana lagAte baccoM ko duHkha kyoM? praznakartA : nirdoSa bacce ko zArIrika vedanA bhugatanI par3atI hai? usakA kyA kAraNa hai? dAdAzrI : bacce ke karma kA udaya bacce ko bhagatanA hai aura 'madara' ko vaha dekhakara bhugatanA hai| mUla karma bacce kA, usameM madara kI anamodanA thI. isalie 'madara' ko dekhakara bhugatanA hai| karanA, karavAnA aura anumodana karanA-ye tIna karmabaMdhana ke kAraNa haiN| manuSya bhava kI mahattA manuSyadeha meM Ane ke bAda anya gatiyoM meM jaise ki deva, tiryaMca athavA narka meM jAkara Ane ke bAda phira se manuSya deha prApta hotI hai| aura bhaTakana kA aMta bhI manuSya deha meM se hI milatA hai| yaha manuSyadeha jo sArthaka karanA AyA to mokSa kI prApti ho sake aisA hai aura nahIM Ae to bhaTakane kA sAdhana bar3hA de, vaisA bhI hai ! dUsarI gatiyoM meM kevala chUTatA hai| isameM donoM hI haiN| chUTatA hai aura sAtha sAtha baMdhatA bhI hai| isalie durlabha manuSyadeha prApta huA hai, to usase apanA kAma nikAla lo| anaMta avatAra AtmA ne deha ke lie bitaae| eka avatAra yadi deha AtmA ke lie nikAle to kAma hI ho jAegA! manuSyadeha meM hI yadi jJAnI puruSa mileM to mokSa kA upAya ho jaae| devatA bhI manuSyadeha ke lie tarasate haiN| jJAnI puruSa se bheMTa hone para, tAra jur3ane para, anaMta janmoM taka zatru samAna huA deha parama mitra bana jAtA hai! isalie, isa deha meM Apako jJAnI puruSa mile haiM, to pUrA-pUrA kAma nikAla lo| pUrA hI tAra jor3akara tar3IpAra utara jaao| ajanma-amara ko AvAgamana kahA~ se? praznakartA : parantu AvAgamana kA pherA kise hai? dAdAzrI : jo ahaMkAra hai na, use AvAgamana hai| AtmA to mUla dazA meM hI hai| ahaMkAra phira baMda ho jAtA hai, isalie usake phere baMda ho jAte hai! phira mRtyu kA bhI bhaya nahIM praznakartA : mAtra yaha sanAtana zAMti prApta kare to vaha isa janma ke lie hI hotI hai yA janmoM janma kI hotI hai? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| vaha to paramAnenTa ho gaI, vaha to| phira kartA hI nahIM rahA. isalie karma baMdhate nhiiN| ekAdha avatAra meM yA do avatAroM meM mokSa hotA hI hai, chuTakArA hI nahIM hai, calatA hI nahIM hai| jise mokSa meM nahIM jAnA ho, use yaha dhaMdhA hI karanA nahIM caahie| yaha lAina meM par3anA hI nhiiN| jise mokSa nahIM pasaMda ho, to isa lAina meM par3anA hI nhiiN| praznakartA : yaha saba 'jJAna' hai, vaha dUsare janma meM jAe, taba yAda rahatA hai kyA? dAdAzrI : saba usI rUpa meM hogaa| badalegA hI nhiiN| kyoMki karma baMdhate nahIM, isalie phira ulajhaneM hI khar3I nahIM hotI na! praznakartA : to isakA artha aisA huA ki hamAre gata janma ke aise karma hote haiM, jinheM lekara gutthiyA~ hI calatI rahatI haiM? dAdAzrI : pichale avatAra meM ajJAnatA se karma baMdhe, una karmoM kA yaha iphekTa hai ab| iphekTa bhogane par3ate haiN| iphekTa bhogate-bhogate, phira yadi jJAnI mile nahIM, to phira se naye kaoNz2ez2a aura pariNAma svarUpa naye

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mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAt.. mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAt... iphekTa khar3e hote rahate haiN| iphekTa meM se phira kaoNz2ez2a utpanna hote hI raheMge aura ve kaoNjez2a phira agale janma meM iphekTa hoNge| kaoNz2ez2a enDa iphekTa, iphekTa enDa kaoNz2ez2a, kaoNz2ez2a enDa iphekTa, iphekTa enDa kaoNz2ez2a, kaoNz2ez2a enDa iphekTa vaha calatA hI rahatA hai| isalie jJAnI puruSa jaba kaoNz2ez2a baMda kara dete haiM, taba sirpha iphekTa hI bhugatane kA rhaa| isalie karma baMdhane baMda ho ge| isalie, saba 'jJAna' saba yAda rahatA hI hai, itanA hI nahIM, lekina khada vaha svarUpa hI ho jAtA hai| phira to marane kA bhI bhaya nahIM lgtaa| kisI kA bhaya nahIM lagatA, nirbhayatA hotI hai| aMtima samaya kI jAgRti jIvita haiM, taba taka praznakartA : dAdAzrI, jJAna lene se pahale ke, isa bhava ke jo paryAya baMdha gae hoM, unakA nirAkaraNa kisa prakAra AegA? dAdAzrI : abhI hama jIvita haiM, taba taka pazcAtApa karake unheM dho DAlanA hai, lekina ve amuka hI, pUrA nirAkaraNa nahIM hotA hai| para DhIle to ho hI jAte haiN| DhIle ho jAe~, isalie agale bhava meM hAtha lagAte hI turanta gA~Tha chUTa jAtI hai! praznakartA : prAyazcita se baMdha chUTa jAte haiM? / dAdAzrI : hA~, chUTa jAte haiN| amuka prakAra ke hI baMdha haiM, ve karma prAyazcita karane se maz2abUta gA~Tha meM se DhIle ho jAte haiN| apane pratikramaNa meM bahuta zakti hai| dAdA ko hAz2ira rakhakara karo to kAma ho jaae| yaha jJAna milane ke bAda hisAba mahAvideha kA karma ke dhakke se avatAra honevAle hoM ve hoMge, zAyada eka-do avtaar| para usake bAda sImaMdhara svAmI ke pAsa hI jAnA pdd'egaa| yaha yahA~ kA dhakkA, hisAba bAMdha diyA hai pahale, kucha cikanA ho gayA hai na, to vaha pUrA ho jaaegaa| usase chuTakArA hI nahIM hai na! praznakartA : pratikramaNa karane se karma ke dhakke kama hote haiM? dAdAzrI : kama hote haiM na! aura jaldI nipaTArA A jAtA hai| 'hamane' aise kiyA nivAraNa vizva se jitanI bhUleM khatma kI pratikramaNa kara-karake, utanA mokSa naz2adIka aayaa| praznakartA : ve phAileM phira cipakeMgI nahIM na dUsare janma meM? dAdAzrI : kyA lene? hameM dUsare janma se kyA lenA hai? yahIM ke yahIM pratikramaNa itane kara ddaaleN| phurasata milI ki usake lie pratikramaNa karate rahanA caahie| 'candUbhAI se Apako itanA kahanA par3egA ki pratikramaNa karate rho| Apake ghara ke sabhI sadasyoM ke sAtha, Apako kucha na kucha pahale duHkha huA hotA hai, usake Apako pratikramaNa karane haiN| saMkhyAta yA asaMkhyAta janmoM meM jo rAga-dveSa, viSaya, kaSAya ke doSa kie hoM, unakI kSamA mA~gatA huuN| aise roz2a eka-eka vyakti kI, aisA ghara ke hara eka vyakti ko yAda kara-kara ke karanA caahie| bAda meM AsapAsa ke, pAsa-par3osa ke sabako lekara upayoga rakhakara yaha karate rahanA caahie| Apa karoge usake bAda yaha bojha halakA ho jaaegaa| vaise ke vaise halakA hotA nahIM hai| hamane sAre vizva ke sAtha isa prakAra nivAraNa kiyA hai| pahale aise nivAraNa kiyA thA, tabhI to yaha chuTakArA huaa| jaba taka hamArA doSa Apake mana meM hai, taba taka mujhe caina nahIM lene degA! isalie, hama jaba aisA pratikramaNa karate haiM, taba vahA~ para miTa jAtA hai|

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mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAta.. mRtako ke pratikramaNa? praznakartA : jisakI kSamA mA~ganI hai, usa vyakti kA deha vilaya ho gayA ho, to pratikramaNa kaise kareM? dAdAzrI : dehavilaya ho gayA ho, taba bhI usakI phoTo ho, usakA ceharA yAda ho, to kara sakate haiN| ceharA z2arA-bhI yAda nahIM ho aura nAma mAlUma ho, to nAma lekara bhI kara sakate haiM, to usako pahu~ca jAegA sb| praznakartA : yAnI mRtaka vyakti ke pratikramaNa kisa prakAra kareM? dAdAzrI : mana-vacana-kAyA, bhAvakarma, dravyakarma, nokarma, mRtaka kA nAma tathA usake nAma kI sarva mAyA se bhinna aise, usake zuddhAtmA ko yAda karanA, aura bAda meM 'aisI galatiyA~ kI thIM' unheM yAda karanA (AlocanA) una galatiyoM ke lie majhe pazcAtApa hotA hai aura unake lie mujhe kSamA karo (prtikrmnn)| aisI galatiyA~ nahIM hoMgI aisA dRr3ha nizcaya karatA huuN| aisA taya karanA hai (prtyaakhaan)| 'hama' khuda candUbhAI ke jJAtA-dRSTA raheM aura jAneM ki candUbhAI ne kitane pratikramaNa kie, kitane sundara kie aura kitanI bAra kie| - jaya saccidAnaMda aMtima samaya kI prArthanA jisakA aMtima samaya A gayA ho, use isa prakAra prArthanA karanI caahie| 'he dAdA bhagavAna, he zrI sImaMdhara svAmI prabhu, maiM mana-vacana-kAyA ...* (jisakA aMtima samaya A gayA ho vaha vyakti, khuda kA nAma le)... tathA ..*.. ke nAma kI sarva mAyA, bhAvakarma, dravyakarma, nokarma Apa prakaTa paramAtma svarUpa prabhu ke sucaraNoM meM samarpita karatA huuN| he dAdA bhagavAna, he zrI sImaMdhara svAmI prabhu, maiM ApakI ananya zaraNa letA huuN| mujhe ApakI ananya zaraNa mile| aMtima ghar3I para hAz2ira rhnaa| mujhe u~galI pakar3akara mokSa meM le jaanaa| aMta taka saMga meM rhnaa| he prabhu, mujhe mokSa ke sivAya isa jagat kI dUsarI koI bhI vinAzI cIz2a nahIM caahie| merA agalA janma Apake caraNoM meM aura zaraNa meM hI ho|' 'dAdA bhagavAna nA asIma jaya jayakAra ho' bolate rhnaa| (isa prakAra vaha vyakti bAra-bAra bole athavA koI usake pAsa bArabAra bulvaae|) mRta vyakti ke prati prArthanA Apake kisI mRta svajana yA mitra ke lie isa prakAra prArthanA karanI caahie| 'pratyakSa dAdA bhagavAna kI sAkSI meM, pratyakSa sImaMdhara svAmI kI sAkSI meM, dehadhArI ... *(mata vyakti kA nAma leM)... ke mana-vacana-kAyA ke yoga, bhAvakarma, dravyakarma, nokarma se bhinna aise he zuddhAtmA bhagavAna, Apa aisI kRpA karo ki ..*.. jahA~ ho vahA~ sukha-zAMti pAe, mokSa paae| Aja dina ke adyakSaNa paryaMta mujha se ..*.. ke prati jo bhI rAga-dveSa, kaSAya hue hoM, unakI mAfI cAhatA huuN| hRdayapUrvaka pachatAvA karatA huuN| mujhe mApha karo aura phira se aise doSa kabhI bhI nahIM hoM, aisI zakti do|' (isa prakAra bAra-bAra prArthanA karanI caahie| bAda meM jitanI bAra mRta vyakti yAda Ae, taba-taba yaha prArthanA karanI caahie|)

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zuddhAtmA ke prati prArthanA (pratidina eka bAra boleM) he aMtaryAmI paramAtmA ! Apa pratyeka jIvamAtra meM virAjamAna ho, vaise hI mujha meM bhI birAjamAna ho| ApakA svarUpa hI merA svarUpa hai| merA svarUpa zuddhAtmA hai| he zuddhAtmA bhagavAna ! maiM Apako abheda bhAva se atyaMta bhaktipUrvaka namaskAra karatA huuN| ajJAnatAvaza maiMne jo jo ** doSa kiye haiM, una sabhI doSoM ko Apake samakSa jAhira karatA huuN| unakA hRdayapUrvaka bahuta pazcAtApa karatA hU~ aura Apase kSamA yAcanA karatA huuN| he prabhu ! mujhe kSamA karo, kSamA karo, kSamA karo aura phira se aise doSa nahIM karU~, aisI Apa mujhe zakti do, zakti do, zakti do| he zuddhAtmA bhagavAna! Apa aisI kRpA karo ki hameM bhedabhAva chUTa jAye aura abheda svarUpa prApta ho| hama Apa meM abheda svarUpa se tanmayAkAra rheN| ** jo jo doSa hue hoM, ve mana meM z2Ahira kreN| pratikramaNa vidhi pratyakSa dAdA bhagavAna kI sAkSI meM, dehadhArI (jisake prati doSa huA ho, usa vyakti kA nAma) ke mana-vacana-kAyA ke yoga, bhAvakarmadravyakarma-nokarma se bhinna aise he zuddhAtmA bhagavAna, ApakI sAkSI meM, Aja dina taka mujhase jo jo ** doSa hue haiM, usake lie kSamA mA~gatA huuN| hRdayapUrvaka bahuta pazcAtApa karatA huuN| mujhe kSamA kreN| aura phira se aise doSa kabhI bhI nahIM karU~, aisA dRr3ha nizcaya karatA huuN| usake lie mujhe parama zakti dIjie, zakti dIjie, zakti diijie| ** krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha, viSaya-vikAra, kaSAya Adi se kisI ko bhI duHkha pahu~cAyA ho, usa doSo ko mana meM yAda kreN| prAptisthAna dAdA bhagavAna parivAra aDAlaja : trimaMdira saMkula, sImaMdhara siTI, ahamadAbAda-kalola hAIve, posTa : aDAlaja, jilA : gAMdhInagara, gujarAta - 382421. phona : (079) 39830100, email : info@dadabhagwan.org ahamadAbAda : dAdA darzana, 5, mamatApArka sosAiTI, navagujarAta kaoNleja ke pIche, usmAnapurA, ahamadAbAda-380014. phona : (079)27540408, 27543979 rAjakoTa : trimaMdira, ahamadAbAda-rAjakoTa hAIve, taraghar3iyA cokar3I, posTa : mAliyAsaNa, jilA : rAjakoTa. phona : 9924343478 bhuja : trimaMdira, hila gArDana ke pIche, sahayoganagara ke pAsa, eyaraporTa roDa, bhuja (kaccha), gujarAta. saMparka : 02832236666 muMbaI : 9323528901 puNe : 9822037740 vaDodarA : (0265)2414142 beMgalUraH 9341948509 kolakatA : 033-32933885 U.S.A. : Dada Bhagwan Vignan Institue : Dr. Bachu Amin, 100, SW Redbud Lane, Topeka, Kansas 66606. Tel: 785-271-0869, E-mail : bamin@cox.net Dr. Shirish Patel, 2659, Raven Circle, Corona, CA92882, Tel. : 951-734-4715, E-mail : shirishpatel@sbcglobal.net U.K. : Dada Centre, 236, Kingsbury Road, (Above Kingsbury Printers), Kingsbury, London, NW9 OBH, Tel. : 07956476253, E-mail: dadabhagwan_uk@yahoo.com Canada : Dinesh Patel, 4, Halesia Drive, Etobicock, Toronto, M9W6B7. Tel.:4166753543 E-mail: ashadinsha@yahoo.ca Canada : +1416-675-3543 Australia : +61421127947 Dubai : +971506754832 Singapore: +6581129229 Website : www.dadabhagwan.org, www.dadashri.org