Book Title: Shraman Mahavira
Author(s): Dineshchandra Sharma
Publisher: Mitra Parishad Calcutta

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________________ A MIND EMANCIPATED 237 'Do you see the shapes of divine planes ?' 'We don't' Just as the imperceptibility of these does not detract from their existence, the imperceptibility of things does not indicate their non-existence If perceptibility be the only criterion you have to deny most of the existing things' Madduka thus quitened the saints Then he visited Lord Mahavira Said the Lord to Madduka, 'That which functions is inferred and that which does not function cannot be inferred It is a sound argument The enunciation of the unknown, unseen, unheard, untestified and unproved is a myth' The same Vedic saints repeated their questions to Gautam Gautam said, 'May gods bless you! We don't propound that which does not exist and don't deny that which does We propound that which certainly exists and deny that which does not at all exist The Lord has propounded the things that do exist' The Vedic saints were silenced but they were not fully satisfied Gautam saw the Lord Vedic saint Kalodayı followed him The Lord was discussing religion in a huge congregation The Lord addressed himself to Kalodayı, 'Kalodayı' Your group discussed that saint Mahavira propounds the five ontological categories and that which is not evident to the senses cannot be admitted 'Yes, sirel' said Kalodayı 'Tell me Kalodayı, who is it that doubts the five categories' 'The self, sire' 'Does the self exist ?' 'It certainly does The inanimate cannot have a doubt' 'That which you call self (atma), I call Jivastıkaya' -This category is acceptable, sire But the case of dharmas tikaya and Adharmastikaya is different How to accept these?' 'The fish swims in the water Who has the capacity to swim-the fish or the water?' 1

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