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arose in the mind of Lallujiswämi about the purpose of renouncing, bearing of hardships etc, if the time for liberation was predestined. Meanwhile he noticed that Ambälälbhäi and other youngsters were reading something a little away. As such, he asked, "Why are you not going to the discourse? Either go upstairs or come here.'
As they came to him, the question of predestination came up for discussion. Since they did not come across any clarification, it was decided to talk about it to Harakhchandji. Then Ambälälbhäi pointed out that Shrimad Rajchandra was expert in all the Ägams and he could clarify all such questions. He said that they had been reading his letters and added that Shrimad was to arrive at Khambhät. While glancing at the letters Lallujiswämi was impressed. He became eager to contact Shrimad and asked Ambälälbhäi to bring him to Upäshray when he arrived.
Sometime during October or November of 1890 Shrimad arrived at Khambhät and at the instance of Ambälälbhäi and others he went to Upäshray. Since Harakhchandji had heard about his mnemonic capability, he requested for a display. Though Shrimad had given up such displays, in view of urging of Harakhchandji and perceiving the same as helpful in the long run, he gave some demonstrations. Thereafter Harakhchandji had scriptural discussions with Shrimad and in light thereof he highly praised Shrimad's knowledge in the presence of all.
Thereupon Lallujiswämi asked for Guru's permission to learn from Shrimad about the implications of scriptures. As Guru granted it, he requested Shrimad to go upstairs. Accordingly when the latter came up, Lallujiswämi fell at his feet three times in spite of the fact that the latter was a layman, while he himself had been a monk. Then Shrimad asked him what he was looking for. Lallujiswami said with folded hands that he was desirous of gaining the right perception and firm observance of celibacy. For a while Shrimad remained silent and then said, 'Okay. Thereafter he held the first right toe of Lallujiswämi, examined it and then went down. On the way home he told Ambälälbhäi that Lallujiswämi had been spiritually oriented being since his previous life.
The next day Lallujiswami went to Ambälälbhäi's home for contacting Shrimad. The latter asked him in the solitude, "Why do you respect us?
Lallujiswämi: We feel very much pleased and affectionate to see you; it seems as if you had been our parents in the past birth. All fright disappears in your presence and we feel totally fearless.
Shrimad: How did you come to know of us?
Lallujiswämi: We came to know from Ambäläl. We have been wandering since the infinity. Now please take care of us.
Shrimad then read to him some portion of Sutrakrutäng and explained the right concepts about the true, untrue and mixed words. After that Lallujiswämi used to regularly go to him during seven days Shrimad stayed in Khambhät.
Once Lallujiswämi said, “For firm observation of celibacy I have been fasting on every alternate day for last five years and also have been resorting to Käusagga, yet it remains hard to overcome it mentally.
Srimad: Do not observe fast from the worldly viewpoint. It is not worth to observe it for showing to the people. Observe it for giving up the taste and eat less than required; if you get tasteful food in alms, give the same to others
Lallujiswämi: I perceive everything that I come across as wrong, as illusion.
Shrimsd: Perceive soul everywhere.
After Shrimad left for Bombay, Lallujiswämi used to carry on correspondence with him through Ambäläl and gain the benefit of true knowledge. He passed the monsoon of 1891 at Vataman, 1892 at Sänand and then went to Surat along with Devkaranji. Many people of Surat, who had business at Bombay, used to come to the discourses of Devkaranji. Being impressed thereby they requested him to go to Bombay for the monsoon. Accordingly Devkaranji and Lallujiswämi went to Bombay for the monsoon of 1893.
