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## From the Karma Granth: Chapter 2
**Regarding the seven karmas without the mohaniya karma, and the four aghati karmas (vedaniya, ayu, nama, and gotra), the existence of all eight, or the seven without the mohaniya, or the four aghati karmas is found.**
**The owners of these places of existence are as follows:**
The four aghati karmas exist for both the sayogika and ayogika kevalis. Therefore, the owners of the four natural places of existence are the sayogika kevali and ayogika kevali gunasthanavarti. The existence of the remaining seven karmas without the mohaniya is found in the 12th kshinamoha gunasthan. Therefore, the owners of the seven natural places of existence are the jivas who are in the kshinamoha gunasthan. The existence of all eight karmas is found from the first to the 11th upshantamoha gunasthan. Therefore, the owners of the eight natural places of existence are the jivas who are in the first to the 11th gunasthan.
1. **The existence of the mohaniya karma is also found in the existence of the jnana, aparanadarshana, and avarana antarayas. The existence of all eight or seven is found in the existence of the vedaniya, ayu, nama, and gotra.** - Sapttatika Prakaran Tika, page 143
2. **The existence of the four (aghati karmas) is the existence of the vedaniya, etc. This is to be seen in the sayogika kevali gunasthan and the ayogika kevali gunasthan.** - Sapttatika Prakaran Tika, page 143
3. **(Or) The existence of the seven (karmas) without the mohaniya is found up to the upshantamoha gunasthan, and the existence of the four (aghati karmas) is found in the kshinamoha gunasthan.** - Sapttatika Prakaran Tika, page 143
4. **(Or) The existence of the eight (karmas) is found in the existence of the four (aghati karmas) in the sayogika and ayogika kevalis.** - Go. Karmakand, Chapter 457
**The existence of all eight karmas is found up to the upshantakashay gunasthan. In the kshinakashay gunasthan, only the existence of the seven karmas without the mohaniya is found. And the existence of the four aghati karmas is found in both the sayogika kevali and ayogika kevali.**