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Twenty-eighth Dietary Item [129 1872. Bhavasiddhika, O Venerable! Are they *praharak* or *pranaharak*? Gotama! There are three *bhang* to be said, except for *samuccaya jiva* and *ekendriya*. [1872 Pr.] O Bhagavan! (Many) *bhavasiddhika* beings are *praharak* or *pranaharak*? [1872 U.] Gotama! Except for *samuccaya jiva* and *ekendriya*, there are three *bhang* to be said in this matter. 1873. The same should be said about *abhavasiiddhika*. [1873] The same should be said about *abhavasiiddhika* (as for *bhavasiddhika*). 1874. [1] *Gobhavasiddhika-noprabhavasiiddhika*, O Venerable! Are they *praharak* or *pranaharak*? Gotama! They are not *praharak*, they are *pranaharak*. [1874-1 Pr.] O Bhagavan! *No-bhavasiddhika-no-prabhavasiiddhika* beings are *praharak* or *pranaharak*? [1874-1 U.] Gotama! They are not *praharak*, they are *pranaharak*. [2] The same should be said about *siddha*. [1874-2] The same should be said about *siddha* beings. 1875. [1] *Nobhavasiddhika-noprabhavasiiddhika*, O Venerable! Are they *praharak* or *pranaharak*? Gotama! They are not *praharak*, they are *pranaharak*. [1875-1 Pr] O Bhagavan! (Many) *No-bhavasiddhika-no-abhavasiiddhika* beings are *praharak* or *pranaharak*? [1875-1 U.] Gotama! They are not *praharak*, but *pranaharak*. [2] The same should be said about many *siddha*. [1875-2] The same should be understood about many *siddha*! [Second Door] Discussion: When is *bhavasiddhika* *praharak* and when *pranaharak*? - *Bhavasiddhika*, i.e., *bhavya jiva*, is *pranaharak* in the state of *vigraha-gati* etc., and *praharak* at other times. / *Bhavasiddhika* is like *samuccaya jiva*, *bhavasiddhika* *bhavanapati* etc., all four types of gods, humans, *tiryanch* five-sensed, *vikaleindriya*, *ekendriya* etc., all beings (except *siddha*) are sometimes *praharak* and sometimes *pranaharak* according to the aforementioned principle. There are three *bhang* for *bhavasiddhika* beings with many characteristics: why and how? - Like the *graharak* door, there are three *bhang* in all beings with many characteristics, except for *samuccaya jiva* and *ekendriya*, such as *naraka* etc., as mentioned above. 1. *Abhi. Ra. Kosh Bha. 2, p. 510*