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In the Padma Purana,
The Ojain man said, "What is this that is presented, seen by all-knowing ones, as the cause of suffering?" ||163||
Sanvarta, angered, said, "Oh, your extreme foolishness! You speak in a way that is completely unconnected and without reason." ||164||
"Your opinion, that there is some all-knowing being free from attachment, is not true. Because of the existence of individuality and other things, that being is not like that." ||165||
"Words spoken by impure doers, those with attachment and aversion, are polluted. And there is no one different from them, because there is no proof of such a being." ||166||
"Therefore, the Veda, which is not created by any doer, is the proof for the things beyond the senses. In it, the karma of the three varnas (castes) and the yajna (sacrifice) are described." ||167||
"The eternal dharma, called 'Apuurva', is revealed through the yajna. It gives the fruit, born from desirable objects, in heaven." ||168||
"The killing of animals in the middle of the vedi (altar) is not a cause of sin, because it is described in the scriptures. Therefore, one should perform yajna and other rituals without worry." ||169||
"The self-born Brahma created the animals for the sake of the yajna. Therefore, there is no fault in destroying them for the purpose for which they were created." ||170||
Hearing this, Narada said, "You have spoken all falsehood. Listen, your soul is polluted by the wrong understanding of the scriptures, that is why you have spoken like this." ||171||
"You say that there is no all-knowing being. If there is no all-knowing being of any kind, then why have you yourself spoken of three kinds of all-knowing beings: the one who knows words, the one who knows meaning, and the one who knows the mind? You are contradicted by your own words." ||172||
"If you say that there is the one who knows words and the one who knows the mind, but there is no one who knows meaning, then that is not right. Because in all things, like cows, etc., all three, words, meaning, and mind, are seen together." ||173||
"If there is absolutely no meaning, then where will the mind and words stand? That is, what will be the support for that kind of mind, and how will that kind of word be spoken? And that kind of meaning will be obtained by the contradiction of the mind and the word." ||174||