________________ Vol. II/No. 4. Eternal Wisdom 17 "Thus the wise have said: " 91917 ge mafa- Pains and anxieties (ga) come about from Sin (919), while pleasure and happiness (ge) come about through Dharma ( )." So having indicated that Sin and Virtue ( 919/guer) are important, one can say that the experiencer of its results and ultimately he who frees bimself from its results is the Atma." Then continuing to reply to the king's other arguments Shri Keshi Ganadhara said : Reply to Argument No. II: "O King, it is universally accepted that there is fire in wood (because by rubbing against itself fire can come about), but if in order to find out where it is, one were to cut it into small pieces, would one "see" that fire ? And therefore, by not seeing it can one say that in the wood there is no such thing as fire? If one were to so conclude, one would be thought of as being without intelligence. Similarly, by cutting up a living body and examining its pieces and because one cannot " see " the Atma, one concludes that there is no such thing as the Atma -- then, that too shows a lack of intelligence." "O King, one can experience joy, mourning, fear, happiness, pleasure and pain - but one cannot see them with one's eyes. Similarly one can experience the Atma, but one cannot see it with one's eyes." "O King, the method of inquiry made in proving the existence of the Aima by cutting up a live body is improper. Therefore, the wise have shown Japa ( 79 - constant repetition ( as indicated in the translator's notes of previous issues ) ), Tapa ( 79 - penance ), Dhyana ( EITH - meditation) etc. as the method of arriving at the true experience of the Atma." Reply to Argument No. III: "O King, take two bags of rubber which are similar in all respects except that one has a little air in it and that the other is empty. If you were to weigh them on an ordinary gross scale, then it