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is a ‘record'. In this time cycle (kaad), records will play badly. Regardless of however long or how much the other person's ‘record plays, but if you consider it a 'record' and continue to listen, and the other person gets tired, then realize that you have indeed digested the real Gnan. Kashays (anger, pride, deceit and greed) can never be conquered through kashays. They can only be conquered through equanimity (samata).
There should be no desire (bhavna) towards eating or anything else. Hey! Not even for pudgalik sukh (body's pleasures). That would be borrowed happiness that you cannot afford. And when collection time comes around, you will not be able to pay it back. The pudgal itself is vitarag. The moment you bring it, the borrowing of happiness begins.