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6.3 te nam bhamte! samanehimto niggamthehimto mahānijjaratarā?
goyama! no inatthe samatthe.
Bhagavai 6:1:3-4
Are they (the infernals), O Lord! with more massive falling away of karma than the samana nirgranthas?
Gautama! this is not possible.
6.4 se kenam khai attheṇam bhamte! evam vuccai-je mahāvedane se mahanijjare? je mahānijjare se mahāvedane? mahāvedaṇassa ya appavedaṇassa ya se see je pasatthanijjarāe?
goyama! se jahānāmae duve vattha siya ege vatthe kaddamarāgaratte, ege vatthe khamjaṇarāgaratte. eesi nam goyamā! donham vatthāṇam kayare vatthe duddhoyatarãe ceva, duvāmatarāe ceva, duparikammatarae ceva; kayare vā vatthe suddhoyatarāe ceva, suvāmatarāe ceva, suparikammatarãe ceva; je vā se vatthe kaddamarāgaratte? je vă se vatthe khamjaṇarāgaratte?
bhagavam! tattha nam je se kaddamarāgaratte, se nam vatthe duddhoyatarãe ceva, duvāmatarãe ceva, dupparikammatarãe ceva, evāmeva goyamā! neraiyāṇam pāvāim kammāim gāḍhīkayāim, cikkhaṇīkayāim siliṭṭhikayāim khilībhūtāim bhavamti. sampagāḍham pi ya nam te vedanam vedemāṇā no mahānijjarā no mahāpajjavasāṇā bhavamti.
se jahā vā kei purise ahigaraṇim auḍemāṇe mahayā-mahayā saddeṇam, mahayā-mahayā ghoseṇam, mahayā-mahayā paramparāghaenam no samcaei tīse ahigaraṇīe kei ahābāyare pogalle parisäḍittae, evāmeva goyamā! neraiyāṇam pāvāim kammāim gāḍhīkayāim, cikkaṇīkayāim, siliṭṭhīkayāim, khilībhūtāim bhavamti. sampagāḍham pi ya nam te vedanam vedemāṇā no mahānijjarā no mahāpajjavasāṇā bhavamti.
bhagavam! tattha nam je se khamjanarāgaratte, se nam vatthe suddhoyatarãe ceva, suvāmatarāe ceva, supparikammatarāe ceva, evāmeva goyamā! samaṇānam niggamthānam ahābāyarāim kammāim siḍhilīkayāim, niṭṭhiyāim kayāim, vippariņāmiyāim khippämeva viddhatthaim bhavamti. jāvatiyam tāvatiyam pi nam te vedanam vedemāṇā mahānijjarā, mahāpajjavaṣāṇā bhavamti.
se jahānāmae kei purise sukkam tanhatthayam jāyateyamsi pakkhivejjā, se nūṇam goyamā! se sukke taṇahatthae jayateyamsi pakkhitte samāņe khippāmeva masamasāvijjati?
hamtā masamasāvijjati.
evāmeva goyamā! samaṇāṇam niggamthāṇam ahābāyarāim kammāim sidhilikayaim, nitthiyaim kayāim, vipparināmiyāim khippämeva viddhatthaim bhavamti. jāvatiyam tāvatiyam pi nam te vedanam vedemāṇā mahānijjarā, mahāpajjavasāṇā bhavamti.
se jahānāmae kei purise tattamsi ayakavallamsi udagabimdum pakkivejjā, se nūņam goyamā! se udagabimdū tattamsi ayakavallamsi pakkhitte samāņe khippāmeva viddhamsamāgacchai?
hamtā viddhamsamāgacchai.
evāmeva goyamā! samaṇāṇam niggamthanam ahābāyarāim kammāim
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