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78] [From the Jiva-Jiva-Abhigamsutra, Nanam Bhanta! Do the good-sounding beings transform into the bad-sounding beings, and do the bad-sounding beings transform into the good-sounding beings? Yes, Goyama! The good-sounding beings transform into the bad-sounding beings, and the bad-sounding beings transform into the good-sounding beings. Nanam Bhanta! Do the good-looking beings transform into the bad-looking beings, and do the bad-looking beings transform into the good-looking beings? Yes, Goyama! Similarly, do the good-smelling beings transform into the bad-smelling beings, and do the bad-smelling beings transform into the good-smelling beings? Yes, Goyama! Similarly, do the good-tasting beings transform into the bad-tasting beings, and do the bad-tasting beings transform into the good-tasting beings? Yes, Goyama! 189. Bhagavan! How many types of pudgala-parinama are there that are the objects of the senses? Gautama! There are five types of pudgala-parinama that are the objects of the senses, namely: the object of the auditory sense, the object of the tactile sense, etc. Bhagavan! How many types of pudgala-parinama are there that are the object of the auditory sense? Gautama! There are two types: the good-sounding pudgala-parinama and the bad-sounding pudgala-parinama. Similarly, there are two types of pudgala-parinama that are the objects of the visual sense, etc., namely: the good-looking pudgala-parinama and the bad-looking pudgala-parinama, the good-smelling pudgala-parinama and the bad-smelling pudgala-parinama, the good-tasting pudgala-parinama and the bad-tasting pudgala-parinama, and the good-touching pudgala-parinama and the bad-touching pudgala-parinama. Bhagavan! Can it be said that the pudgalas transform, change, as they become the good-sounding and bad-sounding pudgala-parinama, the good-looking and bad-looking pudgala-parinama, the good-smelling and bad-smelling pudgala-parinama, the good-tasting and bad-tasting pudgala-parinama, and the good-touching and bad-touching pudgala-parinama? (Can it be said that the object changes as its state changes?) Yes, Gautama! It can be said that the pudgalas change due to the transformation of the pudgala-parinama into the good-sounding and bad-sounding, etc. (Can it be said that the substance changes as its modes change?) Bhagavan! Do the good-sounding pudgalas transform into the bad-sounding pudgalas, and do the bad-sounding pudgalas transform into the good-sounding pudgalas? Gautama! The good-sounding pudgalas transform into the bad-sounding pudgalas, and the bad-sounding pudgalas transform into the good-sounding pudgalas. Bhagavan! Do the good-looking pudgalas transform into the bad-looking pudgalas, and do the bad-looking pudgalas transform into the good-looking pudgalas? Yes, Gautama! They do. Similarly, the good-smelling pudgalas transform into the bad-smelling pudgalas, and the bad-smelling pudgalas transform into the good-smelling pudgalas. Similarly, the good-touching pudgalas transform into the bad-touching pudgalas, and the bad-touching pudgalas transform into the good-touching pudgalas. Similarly, the good-tasting pudgalas transform into the bad-tasting pudgalas, and the bad-tasting pudgalas transform into the good-tasting pudgalas. Devashkti-related Questions and Answers 190. Deva, Nanam Bhanta! Is it said that the pudgala is destroyed in the earth, etc., up to the great beings, and is it said that it is taken up after being transformed into the smallest particles? Yes, Prabhu! It is said that way. Deva, Nanam Bhanta! Where is it said that it is taken up?