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## The Third Chapter
**With Hindi Commentary**
Now the Sutrakar describes the expectations of conduct:
**If someone is worthy of conversing with the Ratnakar, and the disciple converses with them before the Ratnakar, then the disciple experiences Ashatana.** (12)
**Word by Word:**
* **Kei** - someone
* **Rayaniyassa** - of the Ratnakar
* **Puvva-sanlavittae** - worthy of conversing with
* **Sia** - is
* **Tam** - with them
* **Sehe** - the disciple
* **Puvva-taragam** - before the Ratnakar
* **Alavayi** - converses
* **Paccha** - afterwards
* **Rayanie** - the Ratnakar
* **Bhavayi** - becomes
* **Asayana** - Ashatana
* **Sehassa** - of the disciple
**Meaning:**
If someone is worthy of conversing with the Ratnakar, and the disciple converses with them before the Ratnakar, then the disciple experiences Ashatana.
**Commentary:**
This Sutra describes the proper conduct regarding speech. For example, if someone who is familiar with the Ratnakar comes to meet them, and they ask the Ratnakar about their well-being, and the disciple begins to converse with them before the Ratnakar has responded, then the disciple experiences Ashatana. This is because it reveals the disciple's lack of decorum, rudeness, and unworthiness.
The Tirthankaras and Ganadharas have instructed that all actions should be performed by the Ratnakar first. With their permission, the disciple can perform actions like conversing, etc., even before the Ratnakar, but never without their permission.
The word "Kachit" refers to a hypocrite, a householder, a woman or a man, a supporter or an opponent, a Sadhu or an Upasaka.
The implication is that it is completely inappropriate and against decorum for a disciple to converse with anyone who is worthy of conversing with the Ratnakar before the Ratnakar or the Guru. If they do so, they will experience Ashatana.