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## Chapter Five
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There is no fault in saying that this is an extraordinary characteristic for the purpose of general understanding, because it is found in other substances as well.
**Objection:** But in the absence of light and space, there is no absence of that (i.e., space).
**Solution:** No, because it does not abandon its own nature.
8562. The benefit of space has been stated. Now, it is said what is the benefit of the pudgalas mentioned thereafter:
**"Body, speech, mind, and pranapana are the benefits of pudgalas."** ||19||
8563. **Objection:** This is inappropriate.
**Counter-objection:** What is inappropriate?
**Objection:** The question was what is the benefit of pudgalas, but in the answer, it is said that "body, etc., are made of pudgalas," thus stating the characteristics of pudgalas.
**Solution:** This is not inappropriate, because the characteristics of pudgalas will be stated later. This sutra is only meant to state the benefit of pudgalas towards jivas, hence it is stated in the context of benefit.
The five bodies have already been mentioned. They are subtle and not perceptible to the senses. But the upayaya bodies that are obtained due to their arising, some are perceptible to the senses and some are beyond the senses. The karmas that are the cause of these five bodies are also grasped by the grasping of the body.
It is said that all these bodies are pudgalic, and thus pudgalas benefit jivas.
**Objection:** Like space, karmic bodies do not have any form, therefore it is not appropriate to consider them pudgalic. Yes, it is appropriate to consider the five bodies, which have form, as pudgalic.
**Solution:** This is not correct, because karmic bodies are also pudgalic, because their result is due to their connection with material objects. It is clearly seen that rice, etc., which are cooked due to their connection with water, etc., are pudgalic. Similarly, karmic bodies also become cooked when they come in contact with material objects like sugar, thorns, etc., therefore they are pudgalic.