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Aptavani-8
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Dadashri: Yes, that very Atma, no other.
Questioner: So then can we not say that even the Atma takes birth again?
Dadashri: No. The Atma can never be born. It is not the Atma's nature (swabhav) to take birth. Birth happens to the non-Self complex (pudgal), and death also happens to the nonSelf complex. But because it has this belief that 'I am this (Chandubhai)', it has to be dragged along. Otherwise, in this it is the non-Self complex that takes birth and it is the non-Self complex that dies!
Questioner: But is the Atma not with the non-Self complex (pudgal)?
Dadashri: It is because of illusion (bhranti) that it is with the non-Self complex; otherwise, when the illusion goes away, the Atma and the non-Self complex have nothing to do with each other. Once the illusion (bhranti) has gone, whatever was charged becomes discharged, which means that it is all finished, and nothing new will be charged.
In any of the karmas that take place right now, if you say, “I am the owner' of those karmas, and if you say, 'I did them', then a new account (hisaab) is created. And if you understand that it was all done by scientific circumstantial evidence (vyavasthit), and that “I am the pure Soul (Shuddhatma)', then you have nothing to do with karma.
Questioner: Then there would not be another birth?
Dadashri: Yes, then you are free. But in this age (kaad), it is not possible to have a complete discharge. It means that the force of the karma is so overwhelming that it takes one or two lifetimes. Once the intent (bhaav) of doership ends, then that is it, it is finished, no more karma are bound.
Questioner: I want to know your thoughts about past
| SR No. | 030038 |
| Book Title | Aptavani Shreni 08 |
| Original Sutra Author | N/A |
| Author | Dada Bhagwan |
| Publisher | Dada Bhagwan Aradhana Trust |
| Publication Year | |
| Total Pages | 436 |
| Language | English |
| Classification | Book_English |
| File Size | 1 MB |