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Aptavani-8
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Questioner: So if it is affected by pain and pleasure, then does it not become worldly (sansari)?
Dadashri: No. The Atma does not become worldly (sansari). It remains in its original state. It is the atma that you understand, that has become worldly. What you consider to be the Atma, is that which has become worldly (sansari), and it is this atma that is mechanical. So as long as you put petrol (fuel) in it, it will work; otherwise it stops. Within half an hour to an hour, if you kept your nose pinched, the machine would stop. That is why people believe that the mechanical atma is the Atma. They have never seen the real Atma, nor have they even heard about the real Atma, so they try to still (sthir) the mechanical atma. But the mechanical can never be stilled.
So there is no Atma in the hair that we cut, and the extra nail that we clip. When you cut your nail, in the area that stings, there is Atma. Moreover, the Atma is present throughout the entire body.
Questioner: But in yogic scriptures, it says that the Atma is in the brahmarandhra (the aperture at the crown of head).
Dadashri: All that is fine for yogic scripture. Do you want to know the truth? Do you want to know about that which is worldly (laukik) or about that which is not of this world (alaukik)? There are two kinds of knowledge: one that works in the world and the other is the knowledge of reality (vaastavik). Do you wish to know the real or the worldly?
Questioner: I want to know both of them.
Dadashri: If you want to know the worldly (laukik) knowledge; then the Atma is located in the heart, and if you want to know the real (alaukik) knowledge, then the Atma is found throughout the body. If you want to know the worldly (laukik), then this world has been created by God, and if you want to know the real (alaukik), then God has not created this world.