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Aptavani-8
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There is no Atma (chetan) in what the world considers as possessing Atma. This is my discovery. “We' are telling you as 'we' see it 'ourselves'. That is not written in the scriptures (shastras). In the scriptures, they tell you to improve this (the pratishthit atma), “Keep on improving it, they say. Should there not be some kind of methodical way? Is there not some sort of method for improvement? The method which is shown in the scriptures has not entered into people's awareness; it has been shown in very subtle ways. But would it not be just through words that it has been shown? What that means, is that it has been shown through words, like if you go to Mumbai, this is what it is like in Mumbai, and there the shoreline of Juhu beach is like this; however, only through words. How did you benefit from that? So what do the scriptures (shastras) show you? They use words to show you. It would not be through experience, would it? Through the scriptures, you do not receive experience, do you? Therefore, without the presence of the Gnani Purush, none of this can be solved. The Inexpressible Experience of the Original
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Questioner: Tell us about when you experienced this Gnan on the bench at Surat railway station in 1958.
Dadashri: The experience is something; how much of it can I tell you? That I experienced bliss (anand), the entire world disappeared into oblivion, and I saw everything: 'what the world is, who the doer is, how it works, who you are, who am I?' I came to know all the explanations. However, I am explaining all this to you through words. You will never be able to understand the fundamental; real (muda) thing. That is because there are no words there. The explanation comes through speech. However many words that can be said, I am telling you all that on the outside but that cannot be the fundamental (muda) thing, can it? You can appreciate it only when you reach that state and experience it yourself as to what it is.