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Aptavani-8
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Whose Intention Is to Attain Moksha?
Questioner: Does moksha not have to be done for the living being (jiva)?
Dadashri: It is for the one who is bound, that moksha has to be done.
Questioner: Who is the one that is bound?
Dadashri: The one who is suffering! The one, who suffers in the state of bondage (bandhan), is the one who is bound. Questioner: Particularly, what is its name?
Dadashri: Who suffers the state (avastha) of bondage (bandhan)?
Questioner: Is it not just the living being (jiva) that suffers? Dadashri: Are you not suffering it?
Questioner: Who do you mean by you?
Dadashri: So then who is the one suffering? Jiva? And do you keep seeing that? You do utter, 'I (hoo) am suffering'.
Questioner: Hoo (1) meaning who? That question remains. Dadashri: That itself is the ego (ahamkar)!
Questioner: Is the ego (ahamkar) not the jiva's state (swaroop) anyway?
Dadashri: Leave jiva (living being) aside. What does the jiva have to do with it? A jiva is not a thing (element - vastu)! It is an adjective for the Atma, the embodied soul (jivatma): that brother, as long as we have this ego, it is an embodied soul (jivatma). When the ego (ahamkar) is finished, the Atma is released! However, when the ego decreases, and one has the awareness of one's own state (swaroop), it means that one has become the interim state Soul (antaratma), and once he becomes
