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Aptavani-8
Questioner: That is something beyond my intellect (buddhi).
Dadashri: You are talking about witnessing (sakshibhaav), but by coming to the Gnani Purush, you will attain the Self (swa swaroop) right here. Change of Vision Leads to the Experience of
One's Changed State Questioner: Are the words Atma-Parmatma, BrahmaParabrahma all the same words, or do they express different phases of the same thing (paryayvaachak)?
Dadashri: They are all synonymous words. Paryaya means phases or state (avastha). In certain state (avastha), the Atma, is considered Atma, and in certain state (avastha), the same Atma is considered the Absolute Soul (Parmatma), and the same Atma in some state (avastha), is considered mudhatma (unaware of the Self). Mudhatma means an externalized (bahirmukhi) Atma, but even that is the same Atma. What you call the inner awakened Soul (antaratma); even that is the very same Atma. And what you refer to as the Absolute Soul (Parmatma), is also the same Atma! Therefore, they are only the different states (dasha) of the Atma!
It is like the lawyer, who initially does not make money, he is in a bad situation, and so people will say, “this attorney is not making any money, he is poor.' And when the very same lawyer suddenly has a turn of fortune and starts earning lots of money, they will say, 'He is a very clever lawyer, he is a rich man.' And when the same lawyer loses all his money, they will say, 'He is bankrupt.' But in essence, he himself is the same!
That is how the states of the Atma are. As long as it desires the pleasures of the worldly life (sansar), it is considered mudhatma; it is called bahirmukhi atma – turned towards the worldly life.