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are holding on to!' But is it so easy to let go? These are all scientific circumstantial evidences.
Questioner: But it seems as though the Atma is stuck to the pudgal. It happens because the Atma becomes involved (tanmayakar) with the non-Self complex (pudgal).
Dadashri: That is mandatory for the soul.
Questioner: Why is it mandatory for the soul? Who made it mandatory?
Dadashri: The way it is, is that the Atma (Soul) is chaitanya (has attribute of knowledge and vision) and the pudgal is jada (matter), so when you put the two together, vishesh bhaav (meaning ego, 'I am Chandubhai') arises. No one is actually doing anything, but because the two come together, the extra intent (vishesh bhaav) arises, and because of the vishesh bhaav, worldly life (sansar) is created. But as the soul comes into its real form and realizes, 'Who am I?'; it is released, and that is also when the body (pudgal) leaves!
Questioner: How did the two get so close to one another?
Dadashri: That indeed is this evidence! All this comes together upon entering worldly interaction (vyavahar). Here worldly interaction (vyavahar) is full of circumstances (saiyogo), and we have to go where there are no circumstances, to the Siddha pad (state of Absolute Liberation). And for that, you find help from scriptures or the Gnani Purush, so you realize your own form (swaroop; the Self), and from that point onwards begins the liberation. Therefore, after one lifetime, two lifetimes or even fifteen lifetimes, you achieve your goal!
So the chetan (Atma) itself does not fall into the cycle of the pudgal (body; non-Self complex) at all. The mere fact that you feel that it has, is illusion (bhranti). When the illusion moves further away, there is only separation!