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Questioner: The Gita (The Bhagavad Gita, The sacred text of knowledge given by Lord Krishna to Arjun at Mahabharata war) mentions that the ego is the principle thing; therefore, it must have existed before the origin of everything, right?
Dadashri: It is a thing before the utpatti (origin, beginning). What the Gita says is right. The ego does not come after utpatti. Primarily it is the ego that comes first and then comes the origination. You will realize the fruit of whatever karma you have done with ego in this life, in the next life. In truth, it is someone else that is the ‘doer', but it is through your illusion (bhranti), that you believe you have ‘done' it. If you yourself were the doer, then you would not allow yourself to die (nanami). No one has the independent power and energy (shakti) to evacuate his bowels. Nevertheless, he does have other powers, but they have not yet manifested. And he who says, “I am doing’, is outside of his ‘own' (the Self's) power (shakti). Don't people say, “I ate, I drank, or I am hungry”? If you are hungry, then why don't you put out that hunger? And he would say, “No, I cannot satisfy my hunger without putting some food in my stomach.'
The ego arises first, and then the body is formed; thereafter, all the other external results (parinam) eventuate. Karma is created by the ego and this is the consequence of that. This mind, body and speech are the fruits (consequences). The ego is the 'cause' and the mind, body and speech are the 'effect'. 'Cause and effect', 'effect and cause’: this is how everything continues. The Gnani Purush can stop the causes, so only the effect is left. And so there will never again be another effective body.
Religion: Relative and Real There are two kinds of religions (dharma) in the world: One is to know the Atma (the Self) and the Parmatma (absolute Self) as one (abheda). And the other is to know the