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591 Madduka:-0 Long-lived I Can there be fire assordated with araqi wood-fuel ?
Other Faiths:-Yes, fire exists in arapi wood-fuel.
Madduka - Long-lived I Do you see the form of the fire existing in araqi wood-fuel ?
Other Faiths: -No, being concealed it is not seen.
Madduka: 0 Long-lived ! Is there any form existing, across the ocean ?
Other Faiths:-Yes, there is some form accross the ocean.
Madduka:-O Long-lived ! Do you see the form of anything that exists accross the ocean ?
Other Faiths: No we do not the form of any thing that may be existing accross the ocean.
Maddukas- Long-lived ! Do you see the form existing in Déva-loka (celestial regions) ?
Other Paiths -No we cannot see the form of the deva-lokas (celestial regions).
Madduka:-Similarly, O Long-lived ! It cannot really happen that, an object that I, or you or any other ignorant person cannot see, cannot be said to be non-existing. If you refuse to accept the existence of objects which cannot be seen by eyes, you shall have to admit the non-existence of a number of subs. tances which really do exist; and in that case, you shall have to acknowledge the non-existence of a large majority of objects existing in the Universe.
Having refuted the arguments of the followers of Other Paiths by sound reasoning, Madduka went to śramapa Bhagavāna Mahavira and having bowed down before the Worshipful Lord, he took his seat near his feet.
Approving the correct reply given by Madduka on the bad speculation of followers of Other Paiths, śramaga Bhagarina
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