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Dadashri: The moment your belief awareness (bhaan) of 'I am the doer' breaks, causes cease to be created. Then new causes will not arise and the old karmic stock within will continue to discharge. Now I will explain how the old stock discharges.
For example, there is an irrigation tank with a forty-mile long pipe which fills a large pond here in Ahmedabad. When the pond fills up, you make a phone call to tell them to shut the valve off to stop the water. They shut off the water, but the water continues flowing through the pipe into the pond for awhile. This is because there is still water in the forty mile long pipe that you need to let drain out, do you not? What is that called? 'We' call that 'discharge.' This is how charging of new karma stops for those who attain Gnan from us.' In this Gnan, your belief and awareness of 'I am doing' is destroyed; you attain the knowledge that vyavasthit does everything and that the pure Soul (Shuddhatma), the Self, is the 'knower-seer' (gnata-drashta) of everything. Whatever happens after that, You simply have to keep 'seeing' everything. Therefore, the entire doer-ship, which is the cause and the basis for charging new karma, is completely gone. Thereafter, whatever discharge remains needs to be dealt with, with equanimity.
Destiny and Vyavasthit
Questioner: Do you consider the force, power or energy of scientific circumstantial evidences (vyavasthit shakti) an energy of God, fate or destiny (prarabdha)?
Dadashri: No, scientific circumstantial evidences (vyavasthit) and fate (prarabdha) have nothing to do with each other. If a person believes in destiny (prarabdha), then what will people say to him? They will tell him, 'Make some effort (purusharth); do not rely uselessly on prarabdha.' Therefore, prarabdha as a support is invalid and lame, whereas vyavasthit is exactly as it is.
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Questioner: Does vyavasthit mean previously decided? Is it predetermined?
Dadashri: Yes, it is predetermined. However, unless one has complete Gnan, one cannot say, 'It is vyavasthit.' This mind, body, speech are under the control of vyavasthit. The raising of your arm, the thinking that occurs within, the inspiration (prerana) that comes from within; all are under the control of vyavasthit. 'We' are a pure Soul (Shuddhatma), and everything else is under the control of vyavasthit. Therefore, You should not interfere in it. You just have to keep 'seeing' whatever is happening.
Questioner: So does the pure Soul (Shuddhatma) come under the control of scientific circumstantial evidences (vyavasthit) by that much?
Dadashri: No, the Shuddhatma is not in bondage (bandhan). After becoming Shuddhatma, one needs to remain as the knower-seer (gnata-drashta) only.
I am telling you all this, having reached the peak. Whatever knowledge worldly people have given - some have given it standing at the foothills of the mountain, some have climbed up five feet - then they have spoken. Some have climbed ten feet and then they have spoken. I have climbed so high that my neck reaches over the top and I can see everything at the bottom, whereas the Vitarag Lords, the fully enlightened Ones, have stood on the top of the mountain and then they have spoken. The absolute truth lies at the very top. There can be a slight shortcoming in whatever I say because I am not able to see everything on the top. The top, however, is a completely different matter!
Questioner: Lord Mahavir said that karma cannot be destroyed by any other individual. Is the Gnani included in that too?