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is a Shuddhatma (pure Soul) within. After that there is no doubt (shanka) at all.
Questioner: What happens if I do not follow the path that you have showed me?
Dadashri: It is possible that may happen, but you have to have a desire to follow it. If you do not wish to follow the path, then you may go astray. But if you definitely want to follow it, then there is no problem even if many karmic obstacles arise in your way. The Gnani's grace will always be working for You if you have a firm desire to follow His path. Even if thousands of karmas come, they will be uprooted through the Gnani's grace, but there is no solution for the one who wants to go the wrong way.
Questioner: If the awareness (laksha) of Shuddhatma does not go away in a situation with a person, does that mean that it has been settled with equanimity?
Dadashri: If you have interest in other things, then you will lose the awareness of Shuddhatma. If you have an interest in something, it is bound to latch on to you, is it not? A person will throw a fit even if his kadhee (soup) gets spilled because he has an interest in it. One has to get rid of one's interest and not the thing itself. Things will not go away even if you try to do so. The whole world attempts to get rid of things. The thing will not go away; it is in your fate. You have to get rid of your interest in those things.
Questioner: The difference between the Kramic path and the Akram path is the grace of a guru, is it not?
Dadashri: Yes, it is the grace of God. That is all. There is no such thing as a guru here. Who is a guru here? What is the definition of a guru? It is the one who has gurukilli (knowledge which will not let the guru sink). Such a guru can guide you. A guru without a gurukilli is considered 'heavy'.
*Heavy' means he will sink and along with him, so will you. Here there is no need for a guru. Many people ask me if they have to let go of their guru (after Self-realization in Gnan Vidhi) and I tell them, 'No, you have to keep him.' You need the worldly guru, do you not? And here in the path of Akram the grace of God is directly upon You. The grace of the Lord of the fourteen worlds is upon You.
Questioner: What happens when Gnan manifests?
Dadashri: You will not stumble anywhere when Gnan manifests in you.
Questioner: What changes occur within?
Dadashri: You experience endless bliss within; you will not experience any suffering. You will not be affected by any worries or miseries.
Questioner: Can anyone who has realized the Self know if the other person has attained the same?
Dadashri: He can. Just as when you go to the market to buy vegetables and you can tell which vegetables are good, similarly You can recognize this too.
Questioner: Whom do you refer to when you say God? Is it Lord Mahavir?
Dadashri: No, not Lord Mahavir. God means the Self within, who is in the form of the absolute Self (Parmatma). It is the Atma (Self) that we call Parmatma; Lord Mahavir is that too. Mahavir was the name given to Him and I am not talking about someone with that specific name. When it comes to names, some people may like the name and others may get a headache. When we talk about Parmatma, it will not give anyone a headache.
Questioner: 'Pancham divo Shuddhatma sadhaar