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Bhagavai 7:3:74-92 goyamā! no inatthe samatthe. O Lord! is the samaya of the experiencing karma by the infernals the same as the samaya of the falling away of their karma? Is the samaya of the falling away of karma of the infernals the same as the samaya of experiencing karma by them? Gautama! this is not possible. 7.91 se kenattheņam bhamte! evam vuccai-neraiyā nam je vedanāsamae na se
nijjarāsamae? je nijjarāsamae na se vedanāsamae? goyamā! neraiyā nam jam samayam vedemti no tam samayam nijjaremti, jam samayam nijjaremti no tam samayam vedemti annammi samae vedemti, annammi samae nijjaremti. anne se vedaņāsamae, anne se nijjarāsamae. se tenatthenam jāva na se vedanāsamae. For what reason it has been said O Lord! that the samaya of the experiencing karma by the infernals is not the same as the samaya when the falling away of their karma takes place, the samaya of the falling away of their karma is not the same as the samaya of the experiencing karma by them? Gautama! at the samaya when the experiencing karma by the infernals takes place, the falling away of their karma does not take place; at the samaya when the falling away of their karma takes place, the experiencing karma by them does not take place. The infernals experience karma at a samaya that is different from the samaya when the falling away of their karma takes place; the samaya when the falling away of their karma takes place is different from the samaya when the experiencing karma by them takes place. The samaya of experiencing karma is different from the samaya of falling away of karma. For this reason it has been said that the samaya ...... up to is not
the same as the samaya of the experiencing karma by them. 7.92 evam jāva vemāniyānam. The same description holds good ...... up to the Empyrean gods.
Bhāsya 1. Sūtras 74-92 Vedanā (Experiencing of Karma) and Nirjarā (Falling away of Karma)
There are many stages of karma, the first being 'binding' and the last ‘arising' (fruition). It is at the time of its arising that the experiencing of karma takes place. After being experienced, the karma transforms into non-karma (nokarma i.e. the material cluster that has produced its effect and has become defunct). In the present dialogue, the ontological difference between the karma that is being experienced and the karma that has been experienced (nokarma) is explained. What is experienced is 'karma', what falls away the non-karma. The karma's power of producing fruit
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